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Midwest 2023-2024 Midwest Ski Resort/Conditions/Meetups

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Regardless, I think we can all agree that Bohemia is not getting the snow they used to, or that they claim to get... It's pretty hard to book a trip there these days with what's been happening, snow wise.
 

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Well, I'm excited to see snow starting and in theory, early start is far better. I hope to use my Indy Pass this season as much as possible.

Heck, I'm pumped as my kid should be starting as an instructor (or maybe just a flunky) at Tyrol Basin
 

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Bohemia hasn't had a good snow year since 2018 to be honest. And they haven't had a massive year since 2013. Last year was better than the three years prior to that. They really need to adjust what they claim they get as far as snow goes...

Total SnowfallSnowfall DaysAverage Base DepthAverage Summit DepthMax Base DepthBiggest Snowfall
2012 - 2013119"22 Day20"16"40"16"
2013 - 2014216"53 Day22"21"30"15"
2014 - 2015114"29 Day28"23"45"13"
2015 - 2016113"26 Day12"14"36"12"
2016 - 201786"16 Day3"5"6"12"
2017 - 201869"21 Day4"11"12"8"
2018 - 2019148"27 Day7"7"23"16"
2019 - 202077"18 Day18"17"40"12"
2020 - 202120"7 Day14"13"36"8"
2021 - 2022100"34 Day31"27"60"15"
2022 - To Date100"24 Day28"23"50"15"
Average106"26 Day17"17"35"13"
Regardless, I think we can all agree that Bohemia is not getting the snow they used to, or that they claim to get... It's pretty hard to book a trip there these days with what's been happening, snow wise.
Where are those numbers/data from? I've seen much higher claims for that part of Michigan... taking a look now, Mt. Bohemia's website says:

"The average snowfall in Michigan’s Keweenaw Peninsula is 273 inches"

And the visitkeweenaw.com says:

"...powered by Mother Nature’s 270+ inches of annual powder..."

ZRankings.com says, for Mt. Bohemia:

"True annual snowfall: 252 inches"

I know how marketing claims can be inflated, but ZRankings usually seems to do a good job of deflating them when needed; Though I don't know how much data/effort they have for the mid-west. So I'm curious about the discrepancy. Is it possible that the averages above are over such a long time, that recent results haven't really impacted them yet? (Or that they are discounting more recent results?)

Interesting discussion on snowfall which is a topic I have looked into many times. In short, the "on the snow" data is horribly inaccurate. All OTS does is record the data from ski area websites so it's actually the same source data. The interface between OTS and the various resort websites must be buggy and is very hit or miss.

So what's a better way to get the data? Ideally an impartial 3rd party source that directly measures snow data. These are rare. Out west, Snowtel sites are great. In Michigan, visitkeweenaw.com qualifies (it is a good 3rd party although it may be somewhat bias/inflated) NOAA has some data too. What all of these sources show is that snowfall in the Keweenaw leads the region.

I took the time to pull end of seasons stats from boho's website and aggregated visitkeweenaw data (below) I think it clearly shows the absurdity of OTS data accuracy and I have seen similar inaccuracies for OTS at other areas.


Kew.mt bohoOTS
2023​
263​
245​
100​
2022​
325.5​
321​
100​
2021​
188​
no record
20​
2020​
280​
256​
77​
2019​
309​
300​
148​
2018​
305​
263​
69​

avg
278.4167​
277​
85.66667​

I couldn't locate NOAA data per year but their data supports the snowfall averages that I believe to be accurate (see below). Clearly lake effect snowfall has a major impact in the Midwest with areas far from the lakes only averaging 20-70 inches of snow. The UP has several areas around 200" whereas the LP has areas around 150" MN areas near the lake are upwind from lake effect most of the time but still get a boost to about 80 inches.
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A few additional data points from NOAA:
 
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Can't find any info on what runs will be open. Likely just their smallest rope park..
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THINGS TO NOTE
• Nissebakken w/ Chair 3 + Tomtebakken terrain Park w/ Rope Tow (no beginner terrain available)
• Snack Bar Open | Thu, Fri, Sat & Sun
• Skolhaugen Lounge open | Sat & Sun
• Ski Shop open with preseason hours
• No rentals or lessons available yet
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Definition of AGGRESSIVE!!!!

Whoever goes, please post and add a pic or two.

I'm thinking about going this weekend. It's supposed to be 46 here though and I can't imagine that run is going to be very good shape.. I usually wait until they have two 'real' runs open to head out there...
 

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Yea, my boys, especially the younger one, have been bugging me all week to head out to Wild. Thought we might do today or tomorrow, but it's looking a little warm on the forecast and I haven't even scraped summer wax off any of the skis yet.
 

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Yea, my boys, especially the younger one, have been bugging me all week to head out to Wild. Thought we might do today or tomorrow, but it's looking a little warm on the forecast and I haven't even scraped summer wax off any of the skis yet.

The pictures I saw of Troll looked pretty awful as far as conditions went, and I'm sure it got worse as the weekend went long with how warm it was. It was 55 at my house yesterday. That's not good for a thin base layer.

Troll did sell out all their tickets for Saturday, which is pretty amazing. Not sure how many they offered though.
 

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The pictures I saw of Troll looked pretty awful as far as conditions went, and I'm sure it got worse as the weekend went long with how warm it was. It was 55 at my house yesterday. That's not good for a thin base layer.

Troll did sell out all their tickets for Saturday, which is pretty amazing. Not sure how many they offered though.
Wild looked pretty bad by Sunday as well. One of my buddies texted me on Saturday that he was heading out with one of his kids seeing if we wanted to play, but I was still working on getting lake stuff tucked away for the winter. Judging by his pictures, we didn't miss much, but I'm sure my boys would have happily lapped the park for a couple hours. The warm weather's probably my fault, I bought new boots on Friday.....
 

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I was at Trollhaugen yesterday. It was fun but by the afternoon it was getting thin. Brown dirt patches were beginning to show through.
 

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I was at Trollhaugen yesterday. It was fun but by the afternoon it was getting thin. Brown dirt patches were beginning to show through.

Hopefully they made some money as I doubt they reopen until temps change. I'm seeing 1 night below freezing in the next 2 weeks. I doubt they'll reopen until Dec 1st at best with this weather we're having...
 

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Yep looks like a mild November with minimal snow. Fingers crossed December is normal or God forbid better than normal for snow and cold.
 
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Friends are water skiing tomorrow. Hard to make snow when it is 60 degrees.
 

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I better get my Christmas lights ready to put out, that will drop the temperatures quickly
 

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What you waiting for? :)
ha, we moved and none of my custom cut lights work well with the new roof lines and I'm waiting on a 28' ladder to get the peaks LOL. I'm ill equipped at the moment. I'll get it right this weekend, snow making weather will be here soon, I promise
 

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El Nino = no bueno for midwest skiing......worse for other areas.

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I know these are well established charts from NOAA, but I think they are horribly misleading. For example the temperature chart has the Midwest in orange which looks bad but actually means NOAA is still predicting its more likely to be average or cold this winter. On top of that, the long term predictions are horribly inaccurate.

So I suggest ignoring these charts entirely
 

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