5 passes in the wintersteiger btw, just to get the bases to where they could start working on them.
A) Customers aren’t buying these machines.Actually I'd be willing to bet that the average customer not only does not notice structure, but does not even know what it is for or even that it exists. But you do want to put that person out on the hill with a ski that's performing as designed, even if the skier isn't. Best chance for success and all that.
5 passes in the wintersteiger btw, just to get the bases to where they could start working on them.
pair 1 in this thread, that got 1/3.Wait, which skis is this for/on?
What are those?The camber pockets are gimmicky crap that make tuning and waxing a PITA.
Ah you’ve been spared. It’s possible to make skis unskiable and no gummy stone will correct it.Honestly, coming up on 50 years skiing maybe 30+ pairs of skis. I've NEVER clicked in to anything that was sooo unskiable that 3 minutes with a gummy stone couldn't at least make them fun enough for the day until I got them on a bench to really tune them. I
What are those?
What’s the point of it?It's a thing Shaggy's do to tweak their distal edge feel. Essentially it's an up/down wave in the base and edges:
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I think this comment may say more about your preferred style of skiing - or the location of it - than about skis.I've NEVER clicked in to anything that was sooo unskiable that 3 minutes with a gummy stone couldn't at least make them fun enough for the day
What’s the point of it?
Is it somewhat like those DPS Spoons?
I've skied all through NM and Colorado along with the northeast, midwest, and now southeast.. I've skied some VERY shitty skis. More likely that "skiable" to me is a much lower bar than to mere mortals..I think this comment may say more about your preferred style of skiing - or the location of it - than about skis.
For me, I have definitely had occasions - ALL of them on extremely dry grippy snow west of the Mississippi - where I have busted out the gummi stone and been happier afterward. But for every one of these I've had many more times where a gummi could only have made things worse. And then there have been the "not flat" times where a gummi would have simply been irrelevant. (I suppose you could argue that a railed ski might get more forgiving when flat with some gummi work but it would simultaneously get shakier on edge, so not a net improvement.)
What’s the point of it?
Is it somewhat like those DPS Spoons?
Wrong guy to ask about Shaggys. First time I tuned one, I had to call them and ask what was wrong with the base. I've been on 2 pair and one was a terrible tune. I'm biased and not in a positive way.Distinctive feel? Uniqueness? I couldn't say; @Dwight and @firebanex ? have much more experience with Shaggys than I do.
You mean the DPS 'cleats' http://www.utahoutside.com/2011/02/dps-spoon-150-with-cleat-technology-adds-4th-dimension-to-skis/ Sort of but not really; the DPS feature made top notch engineering sense in that specific design and only that design.
Ah. I see.More likely that "skiable" to me is a much lower bar than to mere mortals
Wrong guy to ask about Shaggys.
So you are not letting product out the door of a poor standard and finish so why undersell yourself by saying that its on the customer to check for flatness?
I totally accept that they aren't universal - I have a friend that runs a ski shop and I know he won't let any manufacturer's errors pass him by on the way to a customer because he trades on his personal reputation and competes successfully with far bigger businesses with much shinier premises (who may employ salespersons with a passing interest in skiing alongside bikes or backpacking or whatever).
But it's also clear that they aren't strictly isolated incidents - the OP had issues with 3/3 products, now he might be particularly sensitive to things. What can the great stores like yours do to improve things for everyone?
What if the bases are totally off? I demoed a Rossignol Temptation 88 (?) years ago and couldn’t even turn coming off the lift; they felt railed. After I made it down, I handed them back to the rep and told him he had an issue. He insisted they had just been tuned. While that may be true, he still had an issue. He clearly assumed it was me.In what snow conditions does the tune really matter? What about skiing style? Most of the recreational skiers I know are skiing on the bases, not the edges,
Yup. Years ago my daughter outgrew her 2013 Dynastar Exclusive Legend Eden 165 which she loved. We found the 172 on eBay (new in wrapper) and mounted them up without checking the tune. She then didn’t ski for the next several years due to soccer injuries, so last season I decided to take them for a spin and I couldn’t get them to bite at all. Brought them to the very reputable SkiMD in MA and his immediate reaction was no one would be able to get them to bite; the base edge was insanely off. My daughter has skied them post SkiMD factory fresh and gave a great report. I need to take a run on them now for comparison.It matters if your ski is totally railed and therefore you are locked into uncontrollable turns or significantly base high (concave) in which case you struggle to find an edge.
You are fortunate.Honestly, coming up on 50 years skiing maybe 30+ pairs of skis. I've NEVER clicked in to anything that was sooo unskiable that 3 minutes with a gummy stone couldn't at least make them fun enough for the day until I got them on a bench to really tune them. I guess something really detuned like beyond a 1.5 base bevel would be pretty dangerous on a cold icy day.. but other than that.. just meh, let's tune it up a little better.