You are fortunate.
Maybe? My first skis were wooden skis without metal edges bought at a garage sale. I never tried to ski them on ice though.. Only MN farm hills..
You are fortunate.
VT here and I first skied in the early 70s at Glen Ellen, Bolton Valley and Smugglers Notch, so no farm hills, but plenty of ice. That said, my tune issue experiences started around 2016.Maybe? My first skis were wooden skis without metal edges bought at a garage sale. I never tried to ski them on ice though.. Only MN farm hills..
What if the bases are totally off? I demoed a Rossignol Temptation 88 (?) years ago and couldn’t even turn coming off the lift; they felt railed. After I made it down, I handed them back to the rep and told him he had an issue. He insisted they had just been tuned. While that may be true, he still had an issue. He clearly assumed it was me.
In the time I was there regularly, I think I saw one customer with a true bar on sales floor. Also one with a scale. I took no personal offense to either, but I wasn't going to argue real vs. published weight discrepancies. I'm not a gram counter, as I only really care how a ski skis. There's a true bar at the Montana that's used and used a lot.
So what do great stores do to improve things for everyone? By providing great service and product, they get people to shop there. They're having a record sales season this year. Some businesses succeed, others fail. Can't really do much more than that.
Super crappy tune? Ya, but I can touch it up with a stone and usually get through the day without horrible results. Could be better after a GOOD tune for sure.It seems the intent of this thread is to discuss “what has happened” with tunes recently. I am not a super skier, but I know when I am on a super crappy tune.
I went back to the store with a pair of skis last year after I found them to be 150 grams different, and you could visibly measure a difference with caliper on thickness of ski, guessing one was missing a layer in the layup.
YouveWhat if the bases are totally off? I demoed a Rossignol Temptation 88 (?) years ago and couldn’t even turn coming off the lift; they felt railed. After I made it down, I handed them back to the rep and told him he had an issue. He insisted they had just been tuned. While that may be true, he still had an issue. He clearly assumed it was
You've never skied a ski with a stupid aggressive base structure. They don't go sideways.Super crappy tune? Ya, but I can touch it up with a stone and usually get through the day without horrible results. Could be better after a GOOD tune for sure.
The weirdest skiing factors I do notice is skis that are flat under foot but concave tips and/or tails. That makes a base bevel inconsistent It the concave is bad then grinding them flat takes away a lot of base and edge with it. This seems to be a Y2K and beyond problem, recent to me anyway.
Is that ever a "factory tune"? Haven't seen anything like that from the factory. The Nordica Doberman GSRs Josh sold me awhile ago had some pretty wicked tip to tail straight vertical. structure A bit unwieldy, but I could still toss them side to side, shut down stop, etc..Youve
You've never skied a ski with a stupid aggressive base structure. They don't go sideways.
Is that ever a "factory tune"? Haven't seen anything like that from the factory. The Nordica Doberman GSRs Josh sold me awhile ago had some pretty wicked tip to tail straight vertical. structure A bit unwieldy, but I could still toss them side to side, shut down stop, etc..
Is that ever a "factory tune"? Haven't seen anything like that from the factory. The Nordica Doberman GSRs Josh sold me awhile ago had some pretty wicked tip to tail straight vertical. structure A bit unwieldy, but I could still toss them side to side, shut down stop, etc..
That will cut your glove or slice your hand open picking them up too.. Did you knock it down with a stone?Or structure on the base edge. Had that on a pair of "premium" ski earlier this season. Throw in a huge burr on the base edge and things couldn't be better.
That will cut your glove or slice your hand open picking them up too.. Did you knock it down with a stone?
Bummer. I kinda agree that buying them from a shop in person gives you a chance to point that out and see if they'll step up and make it right. Buying online be prepared to spend more time pre tuning than you should have to paying that much..Came out of the plastic like that. Gave it a full tune.
Had 5 pair of new from wrapper from this manufacturer in the last 2 years with really messed up edges.
Other peoples may call it a premium brand. I am not buying into the hype.
That's really interesting.I also had a pair of the base high Volkl Deacon 72 Masters that required a stone grind like @anders_nor. Mine required 6 passes on a semi automatic machine to get flat which is about average for a typical grind.
Of my last 36 pairs of skis in the last 10 years I think there has been maybe 5 that HAVEN’T needed a stone grind before I hand tune the edges myself. 3 pairs are the 21 Faction CT coming from the Fisher plant which were far better finished than my Fisher 102FR skis were.
The “needing a full tune on a new ski” issue reminds me of my own work of professional car detailing where it’s shocking the paint condition of brand new $150k plus cars that do. Many need 6 plus hours of work to correct the paint issues on them.
Most neighbours of my customers think “it’s crazy to have their new car detailed” till the see it after I’m done and then want my business card to have their car’s done.
New car alignments are also similar to ski tunes as they are never even within their own factory specs it seems let alone if you wanted specific alignment settings for your car. I do work for a few high end car shops with very elaborate alignment systems doing many performance and race cars but also regular newer cars measured daily on it.
When ever you put the car on it, you put in the car model and the machine will give the cars factory spec range and a light will light up green if that wheel is in spec or red if it’s not.
Of the approximately 1000 cars I’ve seen on them over the years, I’ve yet to see 4 green lights before adjustment yet!
Most people don’t have alignments or full details done on new cars unless they are experiencing severe issues or have the knowledge to know their new purchase will perform and look better getting them done. Once you know, you know!
Bummer. I kinda agree that buying them from a shop in person gives you a chance to point that out and see if they'll step up and make it right. Buying online be prepared to spend more time pre tuning than you should have to paying that much..
I was going to bring this up, thank you.The “needing a full tune on a new ski” issue reminds me of my own work of professional car detailing where it’s shocking the paint condition of brand new $150k plus cars that do. Many need 6 plus hours of work to correct the paint issues on them.
Most neighbours of my customers think “it’s crazy to have their new car detailed” till the see it after I’m done and then want my business card to have their car’s done.
New car alignments are also similar to ski tunes as they are never even within their own factory specs it seems let alone if you wanted specific alignment settings for your car. I do work for a few high end car shops with very elaborate alignment systems doing many performance and race cars but also regular newer cars measured daily on it.
When ever you put the car on it, you put in the car model and the machine will give the cars factory spec range and a light will light up green if that wheel is in spec or red if it’s not.
Of the approximately 1000 cars I’ve seen on them over the years, I’ve yet to see 4 green lights before adjustment yet!
Most people don’t have alignments or full details done on new cars unless they are experiencing severe issues or have the knowledge to know their new purchase will perform and look better getting them done. Once you know, you know!
I was going to bring this up, thank you.