BOA, It's not just a closure system.

[Philpug]

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[scott43]

Never tried them in this context. Can they provide as much closing pressure as buckles? Some people really buckle up...

 

[Philpug]

Never tried them in this context. Can they provide as much closing pressure as buckles? Some people really buckle up...

Qhite frankly, more. But it lends the question, how much pressure is too much?

 

[scott43]

Qhite frankly, more. But it lends the question, how much pressure is too much?

For sure. Too much buckle begs the question why is so much required? And getting pressure in the right place is most important. A buckle is a big hammer...

 

[cantunamunch]

For sure. Too much buckle begs the question why is so much required? And getting pressure in the right place is most important. A buckle is a big hammer...

My continuing question is whether BOA boots will eventually have less wall thickness than buckle boots.

 

[Philpug]

My continuing question is whether BOA boots will eventually have less wall thickness than buckle boots.

Grilamid is pretty thin but yes, we are going to see some thinner offerings

 

[Pat AKA mustski]

I’m wondering if it it any way improves heel hold?

 

[Tony Storaro]

BOA Technologies offers an enhancement system that is designed to increase performance

Ermmm…how?

 

[Tony Storaro]

For sure. Too much buckle begs the question why is so much required? And getting pressure in the right place is most important. A buckle is a big hammer...

Too much buckle begs the question if the protagonist is in the right size/width shell at all…

 

[pchewn]

I quickly skimmed the article. I saw several statements of "it's not just a (better) closure" than buckles.

But I missed the specific thing (other than closure) that BOA brings to ski boots that buckles don't.

In my opinion: Boa is just a closure system. An inferior one to buckles because buckles can be independently adjusted for closure at toe, ball, and instep.

 

[Philpug]

Ermmm…how?

By a more consistent closure around the foot. If you read the study, they found an increase of 10-13% better edge control over the similar boot with buckle closure.

 

[Tony Storaro]

I quickly skimmed the article. I saw several statements of "it's not just a (better) closure" than buckles.

But I missed the specific thing (other than closure) that BOA brings to ski boots that buckles don't.

In my opinion: Boa is just a closure system. An inferior one to buckles because buckles can be independently adjusted for closure at toe, ball, and instep.

And this is the reason high end cycling shoes have 2 BOA dials/systems tightening independently.

 

[Philpug]

Too much buckle begs the question if the protagonist is in the right size/width shell at all…

As we have said over and over and over, BOA is not going to make a boot that doesn't fit, fit.

 

[Philpug]

And this is the reason high end cycling shoes have 2 BOA dials/systems tightening independently.

Yes, and that is basically a soft exterior, don't you think BOA played with a double closure? If more BOA's are needed, why not more buckles then? Why not go back to 5 buckle boots?

 

[Tony Storaro]

By a more consistent closure around the foot. If you read the study, they found an increase of 10-13% better edge control over the similar boot with buckle closure.

All due respect but fitting the foot in the boot is what we pay the bootfitters for. Endgame is-no buckles needed.
And if my boots fit so well than even minor amount of pressure from the buckles is too much, I just don’t see how can this get any better.

 

[Tony Storaro]

Yes, and that is basically a soft exterior, don't you think BOA played with a double closure?

I have no idea but if double BOA is needed for proper closing of a soft boot, the stiff ski boots will need perhaps tripple

 

[cantunamunch]

the stiff ski boots will need perhaps tripple

All due respect but fitting the foot in the boot is what we pay the bootfitters for. Endgame is-no buckles needed.

Which is it, no buckles needed or triple?

 

[HardDaysNight]

Of course it is not just a closure system. It’s a beacon of light and hope guiding hapless skiers to a promised land of enhanced comfort, edge control and performance. Without BOA this benighted group of deprived martyrs would be relegated to a life devoid of hope, condemned to an eternity of misery and frustration. BOA is their Moses - it’s that important! (Also, more people will buy new boots.)

 

[Tony Storaro]

Which is it, no buckles needed or triple?

Triple BOAs-hypothetically. You know full well what I am on about-on single dial BOA you never get the pressure uniform on your cycling shoes, there is always more at the top than down close to the toes-hence two separate BOAs.

At this point in time imho BOA is just one step above hookless wheels in terms of benefits for users.

 

[Philpug]

I find it interesting people are trying to give every reason why it doesn't/won't work. BOA went to their established partners, K2, Amer (Salomon & Atomic) and Fisher with a better mouse trap (so to speak) and these companies each invested hundreds of millions of dollars in new molds and redirection of their product lines and I am sure blew every hole in this they could. Do you think three competing companies (four brands) wanted to work together? Hell, I am sure there is much that Salomon and Atomic don't agree on and they are under the same umbrella.