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Expert vs. Beginner skis
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That is just the norm for this forum.
To the OP-don’t listen to this guy! If it was up to him we‘d be all on FIS SL skis, spending our days doing drills with the aim of becoming technically excellent skiers who can ski everything on FIS SL skis.
Where is the fun in that I am asking?
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If you skied with @KingGrump, I think you'd see the fun!To the OP-don’t listen to this guy! If it was up to him we‘d be all on FIS SL skis, spending our days doing drills with the aim of becoming technically excellent skiers who can ski everything on FIS SL skis.
Where is the fun in that I am asking?
people that ski FIS SL as a reacreational ski very well, are insane skiers for everything else though.
I'm just to fat/lazy/like to mix it up to ski SL every day, 18-19M or 20M+ skis.. ohhhhhhh yes. skied 35M turns on pow on steep this weekend, and last week. nothing like skiiing 60-70kmh on freshies that makes you float
I'm just to fat/lazy/like to mix it up to ski SL every day, 18-19M or 20M+ skis.. ohhhhhhh yes. skied 35M turns on pow on steep this weekend, and last week. nothing like skiiing 60-70kmh on freshies that makes you float
this goes for all sports! but with skis I feel the difference in skis are much greater than other sports and sports equipment and you can really buy skis that excel per conditions
but with skis I feel the difference in skis are much greater than other sports and sports equipment and you can really buy skis that excel per conditions
Please, please do not take up fly fishing!
To the OP-don’t listen to this guy! If it was up to him we‘d be all on FIS SL skis, spending our days doing drills with the aim of becoming technically excellent skiers who can ski everything on FIS SL skis.
Where is the fun in that I am asking?
Dude, this lack of snow at your part of the world is affecting your head. My sympathies.
I haven't done
Why am I often on a FIS SL? That's the ski that puts the biggest smile on my face for a particular condition. I do spent about 25% of my ski days on a FIS SL. Usually early season NE and spring skiing in CA.
The usual for early season NE is man made and boiler plate. Perfect conditions for FIS SL.
A pair of FIS SL for spring skiing at PT and Mammoth late April through May just feels right. Light and lively. I have 10x & 11x in my van. Skiing those in the heavy spring mush is like driving a LCAC on the beach. But it does require a decent skillset.
My suggestion is for you to cash in your retirement account and hop a flight across the pound and go to either the Taos or National gathering. We can show you what fun is. It is definitely not mach schnell down the groomers.
You need to read more carefully. Here:
On a completely unrelated and more serious note, today I got to handle a bit a pair of 165 FIS SL Redsters with XVar on them. These things are STIFFFF! Stiffer than my Rossi FIS SL for sure. Immovable object stiff. These are gonna be a handful.
Expert/advanced skis come alive at higher speeds and higher tipping angles. Their design is tuned to perform better at these higher levels of performance. Skiing them at slow speeds and with small tipping angles - they will feel sort of dead and boring. You will need some speed and precision to bend them on a green run.
Beginner/intermediate skis will come alive at lower speeds and tipping angles. Skied at higher speeds and loaded more heavily, they will start to feel 'wobbly' or 'noodly' and lose grip. They may start to skid a bit and drop out of a carve when overloaded. But they will feel responsive on a green at low speed without punishing mistakes.
Thing is - there are a lot of people with low skills skiing fast and out of control, or flailing their way down steeper terrain. They may prefer advanced/expert skis for the stability at speed without every really using the full potential of their skis.
Beginner/intermediate skis will come alive at lower speeds and tipping angles. Skied at higher speeds and loaded more heavily, they will start to feel 'wobbly' or 'noodly' and lose grip. They may start to skid a bit and drop out of a carve when overloaded. But they will feel responsive on a green at low speed without punishing mistakes.
Thing is - there are a lot of people with low skills skiing fast and out of control, or flailing their way down steeper terrain. They may prefer advanced/expert skis for the stability at speed without every really using the full potential of their skis.
Or golf or serious cycling...
I think I get it now. Looking at the BC Vertis which have a lot of flex... Will try to demo them (shop here has them) and compare to Divus.... Bring both to the slopes and spend an hour on each, swapping them out. Try out specific slopes, speeds, technical work, etc...
The big con (I think) to using expert/advanced when you aren't there yet (or tend to ski slower than most) is that getting them to bend/carve takes higher level of commitment from the skier. And they may hook up so abruptly that you get shot out of the turn or fall. You have to make a greater leap of faith and at a higher speed or steepness than you are comfortable with and then be ready for the feedback that happens next. The intermediate skis will start to bend and carve at lower angles and speeds and give feedback earlier in the process. Less energy in, less energy out to manage, good for training skills at lower speeds. So they are better for learning basics, lighter weight skiers, or those who don't want to ski super fast all the time.
Skis I have been on seem to have a preferred steepness, speed, turn cadence, and radius where they really 'hum.' Where they have pop and seem happiest. Pick something that 'hums' the way you like to ski.
Skis I have been on seem to have a preferred steepness, speed, turn cadence, and radius where they really 'hum.' Where they have pop and seem happiest. Pick something that 'hums' the way you like to ski.
Better use both hands.
Let me first get used to the Rossis and if I live till next season, I will try one of those ugly-tipped red skis.
Or just ski them one ski at a time, 100% weight on the outside ski, at least until you get some speed into them.
Don't bad mouth the nose pickers. They make the skis. Had a pair of 2020 model. No nose pickers, just not he same.
If a short fat old guy like me can ride a pair. It should be a piece of cake for a young buck like you.
Is there a reason you’re restricting yourself only to Black Crows?
No, I'm open to suggestions for sure, especially because if I end up getting them after the season BCs are a little pricey.
I actually thought I'd be getting something else but the ski place near me said they have a crap load of BCs in their demo stock.
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Cut those nose pickers right off with this saw. Plenty of racers hate those things.
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