This is a little off topic, but somewhat relevant here...
InterestingThis is a little off topic, but somewhat relevant here...
I don't know, but if anyone figures it out please tell Wendy. It's a problem she's been working on.How do you learn?
Should we just tell her now that there's now hope?I don't know, but if anyone figures it out please tell Wendy. It's a problem she's been working on.
I wonder how many years this guy has actually spent in a classroom compared to how many years just trying to get his PhD. I went to school back in the 50's and 60's before this learning style stuff existed but I found it was easier to learn virtually and hands on. As an adult I only taught for 12 years but have observed it to be more accurate than his results imply. Years ago Bell Labs did a study about people's memory and determined that 7 things are about the average of what people can remember of a sequence of things. That seems to be like the part of the video of the 10 pictures. That is why phone numbers are 7 digits long and why years ago they used names and numbers for telephone numbers like Chestnut 5 or CH5 - 1234. I am sure our older members will remember their old phone exchange names. But this guy in the video seems to be jumping on the bandwagon of disproving something in order to get his PhD. To get a PhD you have to prove something new or disprove something that old.This is a little off topic, but somewhat relevant here...
Yup. I am sure our older members will remember their old phone exchange names.
The learning tool "FAWN CUT" helped you remember what are the 7 items. Not how to do the actions related to skiing.The differences between learning a motion sport or static facts bring up all kinds of questions.
56 years ago I learned "FAWN CUT" for the 7 basic principles of skiing for a PSIA exam, and it is still stuck in my brain for better or worse. It would do you no good what so ever in your physical skiing, but you had to know them for the written portion and demonstrate them in your skiing.
Forward lean
Angulation
Weight transfer
Natural positioning
Counter rotation
Unweighting
Total motion
56 years and it is still stuck, that is pretty powerful stuff.
In learning to perform something it would be pretty worthless, your perception is occupied. You can learn one of these at a time, maybe two and you need to but not by an acronym like this.
He has an interpersonal preference and uses that to synthesize information. An intrapersonal learner needs to ruminate for awhile before the aha moment. How many of you took a lesson and it clicked a few days later after you thought about it?I can see it pretty quickly (no matter what the sport or activity, even if it’s one I don’t regularly participate in).
I can hear about it but don’t fully understand until I can talk about it.
BUT… I don’t own it until I can feel it!
I think of all the responses I’ve read so far, this one is closest to what I need. And a little bit of what @Pat AKA mustski said, too. What I’ve told instructors before is that when they tell me to do something and I stand there looking blank, it's mostly because I’m trying to analyze and process what they've said, so I can translate it to what I think they mean. And also I’ve told them that the minute I do it right they need to let me know, so I can try to remember the feeling and replicate it.I need to be shown what I'm doing wrong. And also told WHY it is wrong or why another movement is better. Lots of instructors tell you "do it this way" and guess what, I think I'm already doing it that way. In fact, I really need video proof, too.
"Positive reinforcement"? Useless if I don't know what it is I'm doing right (just like I don't know what I'm doing wrong). And "You can do it!" just instantly makes me convinced I can't. So if you want to use those phrases, just shut up and pass me along to someone else.
I'm a really really bad student.
I had a group lesson at Alta a few years ago where I got no feedback except for from a fellow student. One of the things I remember the instructor asking at the beginning of the lesson is,“how do we turn?” But although everyone in the class had an answer, the lesson did not progress into a lesson on turn mechanics. I think the instructor gave up on our group.Another retired educator here and I agree with @Uncle-A. I actually did my masters research on learning styles and conducted research. The problem with VARK is that it ignores two very important factors. Do you learn best interpersonally or intrapersonally. Now combine that preference with one or all of the 4 learning styles. I believe @4ster nailed that in this statement:
He has an interpersonal preference and uses that to synthesize information. An intrapersonal learner needs to ruminate for awhile before the aha moment. How many of you took a lesson and it clicked a few days later after you thought about it?
How many of you took a lesson and it clicked a few days later after you thought about it?
I've learned that the best tool for me is video. I THINK I'm doing such and such, but wow, when I see the video, I realize I am NOT doing it. This has applied to golf as well. I'm positive I'm doing such and such (turning hip or whatever) but the video shows I am not. Seeing myself do it wrong has helped me a great deal in doing it less wrong.
Yes once the desired outcome is achieved, it needs to be recognized.However, I’m a good student because I will try all day long to do what they tell me to do - but they need to make sure I’m actually trying the right thing,
In my case I’ve had things become clear even years later! I did not have many formal lessons growing up but at around 10 or 11 years old my folks put me in a group lesson. After the Ski off they ended up placing me with a group of adults. The topic of the lesson was airplane turns, basically turning up the backside of a mogul and then redirecting the ski’s while they were light or in the air. At the time I thought it was way above my head and probably was but years later after becoming an instructor I realized how many important pieces I learned during this lesson. Pre-turn, anticipation, blocking pole plant, edge change/release, terrain unweighting, rebound, angulation etc. All this while sporting wooden skis, leather boots & cable bindings !How many of you took a lesson and it clicked a few days later after you thought about it?
Yup. Totally agree. This is a major reason for the lack of video on this site. It's painful!I've learned that the best tool for me is video. I THINK I'm doing such and such, but wow, when I see the video, I realize I am NOT doing it. This has applied to golf as well. I'm positive I'm doing such and such (turning hip or whatever) but the video shows I am not. Seeing myself do it wrong has helped me a great deal in doing it less wrong.
I totally relate to this. Apparently you and I suffer from the same personal failing. I call it "expectation of logical follow through." Burns me at work all the time.One of the things I remember the instructor asking at the beginning of the lesson is,“how do we turn?” But although everyone in the class had an answer, the lesson did not progress into a lesson on turn mechanics.