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Lange Shadow 120 MV

Rudi Riet

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I don't understand the difference between the RS and RX. I tried on a pair of RS120 lv. Best boot I have ever had on my feet. It's a very comfortable boot and the flex seems lower than 130. Then again flex changes when you are skiing due to temperature. The boot moves forward smoothly and easily.

The RX is a softer and wider boot than the RS - the former is aimed at all-mountain skiers, the latter at frontside-only and racers. Not that you can't ski the sidecountry with a RS or couldn't bang some slalom gates in the RX, but they have their niches.

And yes: the RS gets stiffer in the cold (as does the RX, for that matter), though the dual-density setup made this a bit less pronounced than the previous models. Is it a full racing plug? No, but it doesn't claim to be one.

The Shadow will definitely make the difference between the two lines more pronounced, reducing confusion. If you want the old-school Lange look and feel, get the RS. If you want the new-school tech and more progressive flex profile, get the Shadow.

As far as the RS120SC is concerned: it's a great option if you have larger calf muscles and a shorter tib/fib setup. It doesn't work for everyone but it's a great option. Most racing boots offer this style of shorter cuff, FWIW.
 

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I don't understand the difference between the RS and RX.

Mostly, the RX has a slightly wider forefoot, while keeping the narrowish RS heel pocket.

Based on my six year old RX experience, so factor that in.
 

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RS fit for me seems to be best ever. This enhances the flex too.
 

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RS fit for me seems to be best ever. This enhances the flex. The 120sc felt exceptional too, but everyone has suggested that I don't match the design. It, the 120, with it's better leverage would be kinder to me in the bumps. Then again I believe it would be easier to over power. The sc gave me a huge advantage when controlling forward flex.
 

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I’m intrigued by the Shadow and the dual hinge, spine, and new liner. It’s interesting that when describing the benefit of the dual hinge delivering a loading to the tip- front of the ski.
Cant help but think marrying this dual hinge technology back when we were skiing 205 cm “straight skis” would have delivered even more benefit.
 

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I’m intrigued by the Shadow and the dual hinge, spine, and new liner. It’s interesting that when describing the benefit of the dual hinge delivering a loading to the tip- front of the ski.
Cant help but think marrying this dual hinge technology back when we were skiing 205 cm “straight skis” would have delivered even more benefit.
Isn't that why we had these?

SKIING Sept 1981 - Dolomite - Pugski (1).jpg
 

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Isn't that why we had these?

Hilarious. Nordica had one, too, maybe "Polaris" around 80/81-ish.

Funny thing is that I love a taller boot. The shortness of my RX130s never quite quit bugging me a little.
 

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Good find. Remember when they came out. Not very successful design.
Hilarious. Nordica had one, too, maybe "Polaris" around 80/81-ish.

Funny thing is that I love a taller boot. The shortness of my RX130s never quite quit bugging me a little.
Difference is the Polaris was a lever design, with a lower hinge point, a concept designed by Dan Post in the Kastinger Porsche boot. Most of the other boots ie the Dolomite were make shift answers to the Nordica.

 

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Sorry, small quibble here, but words do have meanings...
-Progressive Flex means resistance builds up as the boot flexes. The more you drive the cuff forward the stiffer it gets. This is what traditional two piece shells do. (on a bicycle this is how air springs behave)
-Linear Flex means the resistance remains constant. As the cuff moves forward the resistance does not change, it remains the same. This is what cabrio style boots do. (on a bicycle this is how coil springs behave)

Thank you! Man o man, don't get me started on the percentage of skiers in cabrio boots that are not doing their skiing any favors precisely because of this distinction.

RX and RS difference... primarily the boot sole. RS, traditional race block for more accurate lateral movement. Liners are different as well which will explain some of the difference in feel of the fit. Volumes are the same for both RX and RS lines. There is no SC option in the RX men's line. The women's RX's are all 'SC'. The RS is unisex by marketing design.
 
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Thank you! Man o man, don't get me started on the percentage of skiers in cabrio boots that are not doing their skiing any favors precisely because of this distinction.
What are the purported benefits of the linear flex boots? I’ve never skied in anything except race boots (at least as an adult) so don’t have any experience of the cabrio style. Certainly they seem popular among mogul specialists but I’ve no clue why.
 

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FWIW, if you think you need a MV boot, try the shadow LV first. IMHO, the shadow is a major change to how Lange recreational boot volumes work. I've put a pair on, poked and prodded, but haven't skied them.
 
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FWIW, if you think you need a MV boot, try the shadow LV first. IMHO, the shadow is a major change to how Lange recreational boot volumes work. I've put a pair on, poked and prodded, but haven't skied them.
Interesting.

I have heard about the new toebox shape but all other info from shops who have seen and tried them on and skied them says the last is otherwise identical to the RX.
 

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Interesting.

I have heard about the new toebox shape but all other info from shops who have seen and tried them on and skied them says the last is otherwise identical to the RX.

Not the one I put on my foot. No way. The heel volume is very different IMHO.
 

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