Lange Shadow 120 MV

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Just picked a pair of Shadow LV in 26.5. BSL difference is 3 MM from the RX. Is that enough that it requires an adjustment? Gearheads please advise. Will do some fit testing this weekend.

 

[Wasatchman]

Just picked a pair of Shadow LV in 26.5. BSL difference is 3 MM from the RX. Is that enough that it requires an adjustment? Gearheads please advise. Will do some fit testing this weekend.

It's different enough you will want to adjust your bindings

 

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It's different enough you will want to adjust your bindings

Thx for that. Generally, what is the tolerance level where you don't have to change? 1 to 2 mm?

 

[Wasatchman]

Thx for that. Generally, what is the tolerance level where you don't have to change? 1 to 2 mm?

Yep.

 

[BMC]

Just picked a pair of Shadow LV in 26.5. BSL difference is 3 MM from the RX. Is that enough that it requires an adjustment? Gearheads please advise. Will do some fit testing this weekend.

I look forward to hearing your own snow reviews, incl fit and performance differences between the RX and Shadow. Soooooo many reviews on this boot, but hardly any from Lange skiers.

 

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I look forward to hearing your own snow reviews, incl fit and performance differences between the RX and Shadow. Soooooo many reviews on this boot, but hardly any from Lange skiers.

I'm excited to dive into this boot and see if its a big upgrade from the RX. Will report back.

 

[Tony Storaro]

Just picked a pair of Shadow LV in 26.5. BSL difference is 3 MM from the RX. Is that enough that it requires an adjustment? Gearheads please advise. Will do some fit testing this weekend.

Yes, you will need to readjust the bindings. Even for 1 mm difference you always need to check, it may or may not work or at least not perfectly.

 

[onenerdykid]

Thx for that. Generally, what is the tolerance level where you don't have to change? 1 to 2 mm?

Yes, you will need to readjust the bindings. Even for 1 mm difference you always need to check, it may or may not work or at least not perfectly.

Even if one pair of boots says "305mm" and a new pair says "305mm", you need to check. This is because boots can have "305mm" listed as their sole length but actually measure 302mm or 308mm or be further off. There is no requirement that the boots need to actually measure their stated BSL. The only requirement is that the boots (as a pair) cannot be more than 2mm different.

 

[locknload]

Even if one pair of boots says "305mm" and a new pair says "305mm", you need to check. This is because boots can have "305mm" listed as their sole length but actually measure 302mm or 308mm or be further off. There is no requirement that the boots need to actually measure their stated BSL. The only requirement is that the boots (as a pair) cannot be more than 2mm different.

Very good reminder...don't trust what it says on the boot. Measure for yourself.

 

[trailtrimmer]

Gripwalk, I get that it is the standard now but none of my bindings are compatible and I didn't want to bother with swapping out the GW for DIN heel/toe blocks.

You can swap just the toe for $25. It allows the boot to properly interface with the front binding/AFD and the rear is close enough where it's not a required swap.

 

[hespeler]

Stupid question from someone who doesn’t know bootfitting.

Does the last affect the top of the boot around the shins?

I’ve been in LV RX boots for a few years now but the last 2 seasons I’ve been getting pretty bad pain in my last 3 toes of my right foot, even with work done on the toe box.

I tried the Shadow on today in my size in the LV and the liner is very comfortable but still think there may be some pain in the toes, exacerbated to a much greater degree when I ski.

They had the MV but one size too big. I tried it and there was definitely too much slop in the upper part of the boot but I’m not sure if it’s the bigger size or the MV that lead to the slop.

I have skinny calves, shins, and ankles. I’m willing to trade some performance for comfort but don’t want the upper boot too loose and unresponsive.

 

[jrc22ski]

Stupid question from someone who doesn’t know bootfitting.

Does the last affect the top of the boot around the shins?

I’ve been in LV RX boots for a few years now but the last 2 seasons I’ve been getting pretty bad pain in my last 3 toes of my right foot, even with work done on the toe box.

I tried the Shadow on today in my size in the LV and the liner is very comfortable but still think there may be some pain in the toes, exacerbated to a much greater degree when I ski.

They had the MV but one size too big. I tried it and there was definitely too much slop in the upper part of the boot but I’m not sure if it’s the bigger size or the MV that lead to the slop.

I have skinny calves, shins, and ankles. I’m willing to trade some performance for comfort but don’t want the upper boot too loose and unresponsive.

I can’t speak to the sizing of the cuff / ahi area of the Shadow.

I too have very skinny skins with bony ankles.

I have skied Lange plug boots since 2003. I’ve used the OEM Lange liners, foam and Nordica leather race liners. The Nordicas for me were the best until I went with Intuition liners (Dream Liner - Med Volume). Fill all the voids, protect my ankle bones and easy to slip into the boot. Game changer for me.

 

[givethepigeye]

The BSL on the new ones will be 306 fyi.

I actually totally love the lange RX 120 or 130 MV which is perfect with minor cuff alignment right out of the box. It’s a problem a fair few years into the future but I’m slightly anxious that “my” boot won’t be around when it’s time to move the old ones on.

^ why you buy a back-up now, when they are available - Have a brand new RS130 in plastic for this reason, but this Shadow boot probably deserves a look.

 

[altabrig]

Stupid question from someone who doesn’t know bootfitting.

Does the last affect the top of the boot around the shins?

I’ve been in LV RX boots for a few years now but the last 2 seasons I’ve been getting pretty bad pain in my last 3 toes of my right foot, even with work done on the toe box.

I tried the Shadow on today in my size in the LV and the liner is very comfortable but still think there may be some pain in the toes, exacerbated to a much greater degree when I ski.

They had the MV but one size too big. I tried it and there was definitely too much slop in the upper part of the boot but I’m not sure if it’s the bigger size or the MV that lead to the slop.

I have skinny calves, shins, and ankles. I’m willing to trade some performance for comfort but don’t want the upper boot too loose and unresponsive.

I read on a review that Lange was revamping the shadow liners mv and lv mid production run this year.

I have the same issue with cuff working on the lv but a slop fest on the mv. MV heel lift. LV instep crush and forefoot crush. No heel lift lv.

Super blasters and rx mv fit me nicely.

POST-TEST UPDATE: Lange informed us that based on widespread feedback of a too-roomy fit in the Shadow boots (both men's and women's in LV and MV models), they've made a running change to the production liners to address that. We like to think we were helpful in getting the message across and are excited to try the new versions this season.

Lange Shadow 130 LV | America’s Best Bootfitters

www.bootfitters.com

 

[skipress]

Even if one pair of boots says "305mm" and a new pair says "305mm", you need to check. This is because boots can have "305mm" listed as their sole length but actually measure 302mm or 308mm or be further off. There is no requirement that the boots need to actually measure their stated BSL. The only requirement is that the boots (as a pair) cannot be more than 2mm different.

Very good reminder...don't trust what it says on the boot. Measure for yourself.

Not so much measure as check the forward pressure indicator.

 

[Wasatchman]

I read on a review that Lange was revamping the shadow liners mv and lv mid production run this year.

I have the same issue with cuff working on the lv but a slop fest on the mv. MV heel lift. LV instep crush and forefoot crush. No heel lift lv.

Super blasters and rx mv fit me nicely.

POST-TEST UPDATE: Lange informed us that based on widespread feedback of a too-roomy fit in the Shadow boots (both men's and women's in LV and MV models), they've made a running change to the production liners to address that. We like to think we were helpful in getting the message across and are excited to try the new versions this season.

Lange Shadow 130 LV | America’s Best Bootfitters

www.bootfitters.com

Interesting!! Is the roomy fit issue versus the RX the actual Shadow shell or the new liners being thinner?

 

[altabrig]

Interesting!! Is the roomy fit issue versus the RX the actual Shadow shell or the new liners being thinner?

Liners are thinner and softer on the shadow. Almost feels like an XT hybrid boot liner.

Also 120 doesn't get the spoiler that the 130 gets which helps with cuff slack and forward lean. I need the 130 for the spoiler. 120 felt soft but trying on boots in 88 degree weather had a lot to do with that.

 

[Jersey Skier]

I read on a review that Lange was revamping the shadow liners mv and lv mid production run this year.

I have the same issue with cuff working on the lv but a slop fest on the mv. MV heel lift. LV instep crush and forefoot crush. No heel lift lv.

Super blasters and rx mv fit me nicely.

POST-TEST UPDATE: Lange informed us that based on widespread feedback of a too-roomy fit in the Shadow boots (both men's and women's in LV and MV models), they've made a running change to the production liners to address that. We like to think we were helpful in getting the message across and are excited to try the new versions this season.

Lange Shadow 130 LV | America’s Best Bootfitters

www.bootfitters.com

Doesn't modifying the liner to take up volume only just prolong the inevitable packing out? Shouldn't it me the shell that's modified if people are complaining there is too much volume?

 

[altabrig]

Doesn't modifying the liner to take up volume only just prolong the inevitable packing out? Shouldn't it me the shell that's modified if people are complaining there is too much volume?

Yes. However. The liners in the lv and mv 130s and 120 seemed thinner than any resort performance liner in any lange or koflach I have worn. The shadow liner is comparable to Lange XT3 liner. Too easy to get in and out of boot. Maybe it is the newschool of boot liners and fit? Lv would work with some punching. 100 RX is way tight (good) and 102 super blasters were perfect. Don't know how The LV shadow almost works out of the box, but part of it is the thin auxetic liner.

 

[ted]

Stupid question from someone who doesn’t know bootfitting.

Does the last affect the top of the boot around the shins?

I’ve been in LV RX boots for a few years now but the last 2 seasons I’ve been getting pretty bad pain in my last 3 toes of my right foot, even with work done on the toe box.

I tried the Shadow on today in my size in the LV and the liner is very comfortable but still think there may be some pain in the toes, exacerbated to a much greater degree when I ski.

They had the MV but one size too big. I tried it and there was definitely too much slop in the upper part of the boot but I’m not sure if it’s the bigger size or the MV that lead to the slop.

I have skinny calves, shins, and ankles. I’m willing to trade some performance for comfort but don’t want the upper boot too loose and unresponsive.

Those are neuroma symTom’s. You may need a 6th toe punch, a metpad, and or a heel lift.