Long COVID?

[RoninSkier]

I am adding a new regime to my daily breathing exercises for others to consider. Rapid nasal breathing-

Fast deep sniffing like breathing through the nose - 3-4 strong sniffs followed by normal exhaling through the mouth - 5 sets - repeated 6-8X throughout the day.

The theory is that forced repeat nasal breathing activates generation of Nitric Oxide to improve vascular health.
This is the observational or whatever reseach based theory -

Could nasal nitric oxide help to mitigate the severity of COVID-19? - PMC

The nasal cavity and turbinates play important physiological functions by filtering, warming and humidifying inhaled air. Paranasal sinuses continually produce nitric oxide (NO), a reactive oxygen species that diffuses to the bronchi and lungs to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This was suggested by a pharmacist friend who is pursuing a natural path doctor career. Her boy friend has long COVID with associated vascular issues. She claims after a month it helped, and after 3mos significantly improved his condition.

She made me aware of this protocol over a year ago but I dismissed it as more 'its natural' hippy crap. Now implementing it daily.

 

[Jenny]

Huh. I wonder what happens if it's already part of one's regular medications, and then they get covid...

I kinda wondered the same thing. Probably can’t count you in a study!

 

[RoninSkier]

Huh. I wonder what happens if it's already part of one's regular medications, and then they get covid...

Seems more related to those who are 'predisposed' = overweight to obese. Still worth considering.

 

[RoninSkier]

Coworker currently has it - she lost her senses of taste and smell, along with other symptoms. Of course, who knows what variant she has.

For what its worth....

When I got Delta I lost almost 15% of my body wt. Looked like a holocaust survivor. To put back on wt I resorted to my fav crap foods - McCrap Big Macs & A&W Teen Burgers. They all tasted, bitter, almost rancid. Another order did not make a difference. Then as I developed LC I noticed my appetite was down, could not smell flowers, or even my own farts.

I thot it was the Prednisone I was prescribed to get on top of my lung inflammation & scaring, which was turning me into a bloated pig. The odd taste & smell function was both annoying & later almost distressing. Doctors and later LC clinic were not helpful.

A friend suggested I figure out my own PT for taste & smell. She like me is a big believer in both addressing injury & PT OT for recovering body function. This is what I did -

For smell PT
Sniffing & intentionally recalling what they are supposed to smell like using household chemicals, condiments & foods
Start with the strongest smelling stuff then move on to more subtle smelling stuff
As much as you can throughout the day
After a few months my smell improved - I could smell pine needles, cyprus & various flowers & flowers in the garden
But my smell is still off, I hope it gets better with intentional remember of what something should smell like.

For Taste
Taste sample various condiments & seasonings in the house
Start with the strongest tasting stuff then move on to more subtle stuff
As much as you can throughout the day
After a few months I could tell the taste difference between Japanese & Chinese soya sauce
My taste is still off but much better, and hopefully improving. Coffee still taste odd, tea bland, some seasoning stinks. But have good days working on intentional remembering of what foods should taste like.

A bit of a pain in the butt to keep up, but I think it helped me.

If your coworker is still having smell or taste issues suggest she give it a go.

 

[Wendy]

I got Covid for the first time (quadruple vaxxed) about a month ago. About 5 days of malaise and coughing/congestion. I was given Paxlovid, but discontinued it 3 days after starting it because of the strong metallic taste in my mouth (common side effect) as well as nightmares.

A month later, I still have a cough. It comes and goes, but can be pretty bad at times, almost to the point of gagging. My doctor said a lot of her patients have been dealing with a long-lingering cough with this recent outbreak.

A few things taste weird (chocolate sometimes does) and I had no appetite for about 2 weeks.

For me, it was definitely a weird thing....much weirder than a cold.

 

[geepers]

could not smell flowers, or even my own farts

Ah good - seems no long covid.... so far...

 

[Paul Lutes]

Clinically proven test for LC: ability to smell own farts.

 

[RoninSkier]

I got Covid for the first time (quadruple vaxxed) about a month ago. About 5 days of malaise and coughing/congestion. I was given Paxlovid, but discontinued it 3 days after starting it because of the strong metallic taste in my mouth (common side effect) as well as nightmares.

A month later, I still have a cough. It comes and goes, but can be pretty bad at times, almost to the point of gagging. My doctor said a lot of her patients have been dealing with a long-lingering cough with this recent outbreak.

A few things taste weird (chocolate sometimes does) and I had no appetite for about 2 weeks.

For me, it was definitely a weird thing....much weirder than a cold.

Keep records of your symptoms if you still feel off - and youve really questioned tested yourself that your not a hypochondriac.
Get advice from a good doctor how you should monitor your health.

Get
- O2 saturation meter
- Blood pressure monitor
Cheap from amazon - check against your doctors to validate they are accurate

Keep record of your symptoms, (O2 sat, HR elevated & racing for no reason, blood pressure swings etc) with photos to show doubtful doctors of your condition
I had std xray & 2 std blood work done for imflammatory markers - picked up nothing. Finally with my own O2 sat etc data got referral to a Respirologist. Did a lung function test - normal. Got EKG - normal. But I used to be ranked competitive cyclist with above avg fitness, I was told youre getting old - Im thinking FU. I know my body, know how to monitor my body. I felt like crap its not working right. Data showed good days bad days that I was not some pathetic hypochondriac that I wasnt nuts, maybe only a bit.
Finally the respirologist ordered cat scan & heart ultra sound - showed I was screwed.

Do regular weekly mini stress tests like reps of sitting up then later stair climbs etc to monitor general physical condition to see if you are stuck or getting better and to improve health fitness.

I am not a 100% but getting better per my data.

GL

 

[VickiK]

For coughing, I recommend getting a nebulizer and food-grade hydrogen peroxide, and using a weak solution of the hydrogen peroxide to water. It helps with any kind of cold/flu upper respiratory infection. It doesn't take long, 10 slow breaths, maybe a minute or two. I inhale through my nose as round 1 and through my mouth as round 2. It's a very weak solution, like 5 drops of HP to the water in the remaining space. You shouldn't detect any taste or smells while using it.

Mine is something like this one linked below.

 

[Wendy]

Keep records of your symptoms if you still feel off - and youve really questioned tested yourself that your not a hypochondriac.
Get advice from a good doctor how you should monitor your health.

Get
- O2 saturation meter
- Blood pressure monitor
Cheap from amazon - check against your doctors to validate they are accurate

Keep record of your symptoms, (O2 sat, HR elevated & racing for no reason, blood pressure swings etc) with photos to show doubtful doctors of your condition
I had std xray & 2 std blood work done for imflammatory markers - picked up nothing. Finally with my own O2 sat etc data got referral to a Respirologist. Did a lung function test - normal. Got EKG - normal. But I used to be ranked competitive cyclist with above avg fitness, I was told youre getting old - Im thinking FU. I know my body, know how to monitor my body. I felt like crap its not working right. Data showed good days bad days that I was not some pathetic hypochondriac that I wasnt nuts, maybe only a bit.
Finally the respirologist ordered cat scan & heart ultra sound - showed I was screwed.

Do regular weekly mini stress tests like reps of sitting up then later stair climbs etc to monitor general physical condition to see if you are stuck or getting better and to improve health fitness.

I am not a 100% but getting better per my data.

GL

Good advice, thanks!
I'm very sorry to hear you are going through this.

I too was a competitive cyclist, but that was 15-20 years ago.

 

[RoninSkier]

Good advice, thanks!
I'm very sorry to hear you are going through this.

I too was a competitive cyclist, but that was 15-20 years ago.

Rode up to cat 2 & Vet A, short TT & criteriums were my spclty
Raced MTB XC up to expert class - categories have changed.
Still MTB mostly, some road - but unable to since COVID & LC

 

[RoninSkier]

New COVID vaccines + 2 others due out very soon.

Updated COVID shots are coming. They're part of a trio of vaccines to block fall viruses

Updated COVID-19 shots are coming soon, part of a trio of fall vaccines that doctors hope will help avoid another “tripledemic."

abcnews.go.com

 

[Scotty I.]

Regarding the discussion about Covid and tasting food: I got the dreaded disease about a year and a half ago. Since then there are two experiences that I have had with food. 1) 99% of it tastes putrid and I can't even think about eating it. 2) I now have a daily regimen of bran cereal for breakfast, nothing for lunch, and pastrami with cole slaw for dinner. Every night. What makes this even more weird is that maybe, stress maybe, I would have a pastrami sandwich once a year before this all happened. I used to be quite comfortable at 205 lbs. Now I'm at 175 as of two days ago. I went into the doctor's office for a checkup and she told me that eating all that pastrami would not be good for my triglyceride count. So what am I supposed to do? Eat food that makes me want to throw up every day?
Covid sucks.

 

[RoninSkier]

Regarding the discussion about Covid and tasting food: I got the dreaded disease about a year and a half ago. Since then there are two experiences that I have had with food. 1) 99% of it tastes putrid and I can't even think about eating it. 2) I now have a daily regimen of bran cereal for breakfast, nothing for lunch, and pastrami with cole slaw for dinner. Every night. What makes this even more weird is that maybe, stress maybe, I would have a pastrami sandwich once a year before this all happened. I used to be quite comfortable at 205 lbs. Now I'm at 175 as of two days ago. I went into the doctor's office for a checkup and she told me that eating all that pastrami would not be good for my triglyceride count. So what am I supposed to do? Eat food that makes me want to throw up every day?
Covid sucks.

I had a similar experience. Not 100% yet, but a lot better for both taste & smell.

Try the self PT taste protocol I posted. It may work for you.
You may gag or not taste anything using the taste PT conditiments (choose what you used to use, familiar with) but force youself to remember how its supposed to taste, reteach your taste buds your neurology or whatever of how it should be.
Cheat and better waiting to go into a LC clinic and just get the useless 'oh you poor thing' BS.

GL

 

[Scotty I.]

I had a similar experience. Not 100% yet, but a lot better for both taste & smell.

Try the self PT taste protocol I posted. It may work for you.
You may gag or not taste anything using the taste PT conditiments (choose what you used to use, familiar with) but force youself to remember how its supposed to taste, reteach your taste buds your neurology or whatever of how it should be.
Cheat and better waiting to go into a LC clinic and just get the useless 'oh you poor thing' BS.

GL

You should see what I put on my pastrami. Dijon mustard. Cocktail sauce. Cholula sauce (lots of it - more than most humans could tolerate). Tons of pepper.
You can only imagine what this has done to my dating life.

 

[RoninSkier]

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

 

[RoninSkier]

Ozone blood treatment for long COVID, apparently seeing some success in Germany - anyone try or know of someone who has?

Clinical effectiveness of medical ozone therapy in COVID-19: the evidence and gaps map - PMC

Ozone therapy (OT), a medical procedure, has been showing good results during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19). We aimed to build an evidence and gaps map (EGM) of OT in the COVID-19 ranking the articles found according to levels of evidence and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effectiveness of ozone therapy in addition to conventional treatment on mortality in patients with COVID‐19 - PMC

In this study, we aimed to investigate the effectiveness of ozone therapy, which is one of the integrative medicine applications that has been used safely for many years, on the prevalence of mortality in patients receiving COVID‐19 treatment. This ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[RoninSkier]

PEMF long COVID treatment
More data points, not rigorously scientific imho, worth considering

Successful application of pulsed electromagnetic fields in a patient with post-COVID-19 fatigue: a case report - PMC

Post-COVID-19 fatigue is a frequent symptom in COVID-19 survivors, which substantially limits patients to achieve full recovery and potentially restrains return to work. The previous literature has not yet reported the use of pulsed electromagnetic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[VickiK]

Ozone blood treatment for long COVID, apparently seeing some success in Germany - anyone try or know of someone who has?

Clinical effectiveness of medical ozone therapy in COVID-19: the evidence and gaps map - PMC

Ozone therapy (OT), a medical procedure, has been showing good results during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19). We aimed to build an evidence and gaps map (EGM) of OT in the COVID-19 ranking the articles found according to levels of evidence and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effectiveness of ozone therapy in addition to conventional treatment on mortality in patients with COVID‐19 - PMC

In this study, we aimed to investigate the effectiveness of ozone therapy, which is one of the integrative medicine applications that has been used safely for many years, on the prevalence of mortality in patients receiving COVID‐19 treatment. This ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Don't have Long Covid but ozone blood treatment apparently has many health benefits, did it twice. Am planning on re-doing it periodically. They offer it at my alternative medicine doctor's practice. His website has a page dedicated to it:

EBOO Quantum+

EBOO Quantum+ (Ozone Dialysis formerly known as O3D)

www.oasisfamilymedicine.com

Since it is supposed to remove inflammatory proteins from the blood, I have been recommending it to my beau friend but he hasn't done it. He is somewhat better after including bromeliad & NAC in his supplement, btw, but still a long way from past health & strength.

 

[neonorchid]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...gue-brain-fog-long-covid-neurological-effects
"growing evidence that even a mild case of COVID can cause long-term changes to the immune system that affect the brain and nervous system."

"some striking similarities to autoimmune diseases, "

"studying mice that develop a mild version of the disease."

"Those animals have cognitive deficits a month after they were infected," Klein says. "They no longer have virus, they're no longer ill. But they can't remember and recognize things."

"What there is, is elimination of the connections between neurons."

"Klein suspects that something similar is happening to the synaptic connections in the brains of people who get long COVID. And she says it appears this can happen even in people who don't get very sick."

"I may end up getting more inflammation in my brain than you because we have a different genetic makeup."