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Wow, that’s really the wrong ski for that. Glad you got the Navigators flattened out!. I need a single ski for mostly on-piste and for building skills. Ended up buying a pair of iKonic 84ti in 2019.
Wow, that’s really the wrong ski for that. Glad you got the Navigators flattened out!. I need a single ski for mostly on-piste and for building skills. Ended up buying a pair of iKonic 84ti in 2019.
Would you mind sharing the ski length and your approx stats? Curious as I have both short and long, and I like the short ones better.After having them sit 1-1/2 years, I finally got out on my new Navigator 85s yesterday. The performance was pretty much as Phil (and everyone else) has described, very easy going, but with a nice finish at the tail if you want it. My first impression was the weight...compared to the old Fischers they will be replacing, they are quite light. Second impression was that they feel like they ski just a "bit" short, no doubt because my other skis are "traditional" in shape and camber. But I never felt they were too short. If I had the opportunity to try the next length back to back, maybe I would go longer...maybe. I did love how well they cranked short turns, and they skied effortlessly. Definitely one of my better equipment purchases.
That's pretty much why I stopped doing "demo" skis at resorts...the tunes were all over the place, some basically unskiable. And the few times I got onto a ski I liked, when I bought my own pair they didn't feel the same. The tune makes a huge difference...glad you like your skis nowI picked up a pair of these at the end of last season in 172 length. 2021/22 "CA" model with the Marker TP2 Light 11 FDT system binding.
Background: 5'11", 175lb, 67 yr old, 8-10 days-per-year intermediate skier with modest skills. Following a 25 year hiatus, I returned to skiing 5 seasons ago. I live in Phoenix and it is hard to demo skis, not much selection here and what was available was mostly fat skis. I need a single ski for mostly on-piste and for building skills. Ended up buying a pair of iKonic 84ti in 2019. These skis are fast and carvy but I was struggling a bit with slower speed maneuvering in moguls and on steeps. Rather than blaming my obviously lacking technique, I decided I should look for something more on the "finesse" side of the Pugski "Power" scale. Navigator 85 came to the top of the list based on reviews here and a hat tip to @mdf who skis these all over the mountain and likes them so much he has multiple pairs!
So, got the new Navigators in March last year and took them out one day. Not impressed. Another day in early January this season. Still not feeling the love.
OK, went up to Purgatory a couple weeks ago and took them along to give them one last chance. Decided to stop in the shop and have them check out the tune. The guy put a straightedge on them and said, "Hmm, a bit edge high." You could see light coming under the straightedge. Ok, "mini-tune" and fresh wax later, I skied them for two days and WOW. What a difference! After quickly gaining comfort on the groomers, I started exploring a bit of the ungroomed chop and some smaller moguls. I definitely felt like I could maneuver these effortlessly. Two days of glorious fun. "This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
Interestingly, my pair was made in Ukraine. Perhaps that's how they achieve the lower price point. Wonder what's going on with that factory given the war situation?
And a shout out to @johnnyvw not only for bumping this thread, but for the VW Avatar. I had a green '68 (many years ago!)
I'm 5'8", about 190 lbs. Been skiing most of the last 46 years (I'm 68) I've always had to rely on technique over power. I got the 172, as it was in the "neighborhood" of every other ski I've had the last 20 years. If I was younger and skied faster, the 179 may have been better, but so far I'm really liking what I've gotWould you mind sharing the ski length and your approx stats? Curious as I have both short and long, and I like the short ones better.
The Navigator can still be found on the Nordica web site; however, since last season:I love thread revivals. Were the Navigators replaced by the Enforcers?
Thanks. I also prefer the 172 at 5'10", 175-190lbs (I need to get back to 175!).I'm 5'8", about 190 lbs. Been skiing most of the last 46 years (I'm 68) I've always had to rely on technique over power. I got the 172, as it was in the "neighborhood" of every other ski I've had the last 20 years. If I was younger and skied faster, the 179 may have been better, but so far I'm really liking what I've got
My understanding from following this for a while is that CA is carbon without metal, whereas the old Ti skis had metal. There was a year or two when they sold both.- The added moniker "CA," which means ?? Carbon? (No metal?) Canada? California? Some debate about this...
I'm not sure of the current Enforcer, but back when I bought my Navigator 90 it was said to be the same ski as the Enforcer but with a squared-off tail.I guess the Enforcer 88 was supposed to replace the Navigator 90? I've not been on it, but it's a pretty different shape. And a burlier ski than the Nav. Don't know if there's a replacement for the 85/80 in the works.
My understanding from following this for a while is that CA is carbon without metal, whereas the old Ti skis had metal. There was a year or two when they sold both.
I'm not sure of the current Enforcer, but back when I bought my Navigator 90 it was said to be the same ski as the Enforcer but with a squared-off tail.
For a little context, the Navigator Ti 90 is too burly for me in a 179, while I skied a Nordica Steadfast 179 for years.
Are you still looking? Found a pair on Facebook.Thanks. I also prefer the 172 at 5'10", 175-190lbs (I need to get back to 175!).
I have the old Navigator 80 and 90 with Ti, both in 172 and 179, and I like the shorter ski much better to the point I'm thinking I'll unload the longer ski. If anyone has a 172 Navigator Ti in any width, I'll buy them from you!
Question: Has anyone skied on the old Navigator Ti and the current Navigator CA and is willing to comment on the differences?
Which is a completely different animal.Well, I guess it's the end of the line for the Nordica Navigator. Coming in 23/24 is the Steadfast.
Bummer. Is there anything close to the navigators in 80-85mm?Which is a completely different animal.
Lots. "Narrow wide skis" as we call them. Salomon Stance 84, Dynastar M-Pro 84, Lusti CWR 81/84, upcoming Fischer Ranger 84.Bummer. Is there anything close to the navigators in 80-85mm?