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Masters GS skis: glossary request ('cheater', 'tweener', 'masters', etc)

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Fischer has several non-FIS GS skis suitable for Masters: 188/27, 183/25, 181/21. Unfortunately, not too many folks around here use them, so I don't have much experience with them.

While not Colorado, we have lots of opportunities to use such skis at the former Squaw Valley and Mammoth.
 

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I thought we settled this - such skis have use everywhere, some areas more so than others.

Everywhere might be pushing it, but I would agree that higher level skiers certainly could take a masters level GS type ski all-mountain. It might not be the best tool for the job, but it would definitely be an interesting learning experience... :roflmao:
 

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181/21 sounds like interesting for most uses. i really don't get why so many pple like skis that keep turning back home. here in europe in last few years also you really had to be fortunate to profit from skis >70 under foot.
 

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Fischer RC4, no holes in the tips, black bases, 65 mm, 21 m at 181.

Cant see anything wrong with these. Give ‘em a proper 0.5/3 tune and they will be a-flyin’
Yea looking pretty nice, would love to test it and compare it to the new e speed pro from head.

Im coming from a 182 rossi 25m u16 FIS.. Looking for a small step down, but it must be able to hit full speed like my rossis can.
 

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Yea looking pretty nice, would love to test it and compare it to the new e speed pro from head.

Im coming from a 182 rossi 25m u16 FIS.. Looking for a small step down, but it must be able to hit full speed like my rossis can.

FWIW Fischer RC4 (the CT) was the most impressive ski in terms of built quality I have seen recently that aren’t Stockli. Rossis are quite far from them. Head ditto. However do test them if you can, if they are as stiff as the CTs the step down you are aiming at may be too small.
 

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Yea looking pretty nice, would love to test it and compare it to the new e speed pro from head.

Im coming from a 182 rossi 25m u16 FIS.. Looking for a small step down, but it must be able to hit full speed like my rossis can.
Picked up the Dynastar version of the 182 for this year. Can’t wait to get on them, hope I’m worthy.
 

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Yea looking pretty nice, would love to test it and compare it to the new e speed pro from head.

Im coming from a 182 rossi 25m u16 FIS.. Looking for a small step down, but it must be able to hit full speed like my rossis can.

FWIW, the new eSpeed pro is much more a serious masters beer league/tech comp long turn ski. It feels pretty similar to the 25m Head Rebels GS ski. For those that loved the versatility of the yellow eSpeed Pro, the new blue ski might not fulfill your expectations. If the old was too turn for you, the blue one's your pick.
 

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FWIW, the new eSpeed pro is much more a serious masters beer league/tech comp long turn ski. It feels pretty similar to the 25m Head Rebels GS ski. For those that loved the versatility of the yellow eSpeed Pro, the new blue ski might not fulfill your expectations. If the old was too turn for you, the blue one's your pick.

Do they have the same thin edges as the RD Pro Master?
20.5 at 180 sounds sweet.
 

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must say i wore off the edges of my gsrd standard 25meters pretty quick. because i've been able to use them a lot last winter.
but the guy at the shop told me that also the structure of the ski itself was quite worn infact it remained flat on the table. quite surprised because they did feel nearly as heavy as the 27m pro.

anyway skis are made to be used for like X days
 

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FWIW, the new eSpeed pro is much more a serious masters beer league/tech comp long turn ski. It feels pretty similar to the 25m Head Rebels GS ski. For those that loved the versatility of the yellow eSpeed Pro, the new blue ski might not fulfill your expectations. If the old was too turn for you, the blue one's your pick.
That sounds pretty good to me! I'm mostly in a step down for the radius.. Gonna have to feel the flex levels of this ski and compare it to the Fischers..
The Fischers are 200 eu cheaper so that might make the choice a bit easier.
 

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The 21M Fischer linked above looks to have a significantly different core than their top race skis, based on the details on the website. It's shows air carbon in addition to sandwich sidewall construction, so it's possible that it's not really a solid wood core, and doesn't mention any metal layers, whereas the race skis say they have a wood core and double Ti. I bet it does have at least one thin layer of metal, but real race skis have two. Anyway, that might make it even better for the right use case, but it's probably not as solid as their WC/FIS skis.
 
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The 21M Fischer linked above looks to have a significantly different core than their top race skis, based on the details on the website. It's shows air carbon in addition to sandwich sidewall construction, so it's possible that it's not really a solid wood core, and doesn't mention any metal layers, whereas the race skis say they have a wood core and double Ti. I bet it does have at least one thin layer of metal, but real race skis have two. Anyway, that might make it even better for the right use case, but it's probably not as solid as their WC/FIS skis.
In their youtube video they mention that their master ski is stiffer then the junior fis ski, but those models have the new alu plate.. The 181 model comes with the m-plate so...
i asked them on IG let's see what they say..
I've to wait until christmas before i head off to austria
 

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The 21M Fischer linked above looks to have a significantly different core than their top race skis, based on the details on the website. It's shows air carbon in addition to sandwich sidewall construction, so it's possible that it's not really a solid wood core, and doesn't mention any metal layers, whereas the race skis say they have a wood core and double Ti. I bet it does have at least one thin layer of metal, but real race skis have two. Anyway, that might make it even better for the right use case, but it's probably not as solid as their WC/FIS skis.

Thanks for the heads up if that's actually the case. Lack of solid wood and no double layers would be "no bueno".
 

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For me, a rec skier. Race/carver - 50/60 days. All mountain - 80 days.
I called it "that loving feeling." Once it's gone, it's gone.
mine did less than 50. i would say that a proper pro skier would have worn them out quite fast so i suspect that the head PRO has a stronger structure, even if not much heavier.
anyway for a rec skier who has 2 or more pairs of skis, 50 days would probably be more than enough.

Thanks for the heads up if that's actually the case. Lack of solid wood and no double layers would be "no bueno".
i think in the past various skis without wood didn't prove too successful. i still have cheap rossignols that i trashed in like 5 days. they look new.
my heads were not too stiff and i liked them, as a cheater ski /everyday use i would be ok with carbon/sandwich if they last as long as traditional wood ones and cost less
 

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It says air carbon yes but also:

SANDWICH PHENOL
SIDEWALL
CONSTRUCTION
Wood core combined with
Phenol Sidewalls in a classic
sandwich construction for
aggressive flex and extremely
responsive rebound,
 

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mine did less than 50. i would say that a proper pro skier would have worn them out quite fast so i suspect that the head PRO has a stronger structure, even if not much heavier.
anyway for a rec skier who has 2 or more pairs of skis, 50 days would probably be more than enough.


i think in the past various skis without wood didn't prove too successful. i still have cheap rossignols that i trashed in like 5 days. they look new.
my heads were not too stiff and i liked them, as a cheater ski /everyday use i would be ok with carbon/sandwich if they last as long as traditional wood ones and cost less
Billionaires are flying people into space. Chat bots are doing our kid‘s term papers and the material of choice for our skis is good old wood.
 

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