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Just about what I've come to expect. They're playing tic-tac-toe with us.
& the conspiracy is re-awakened. For me it seems that the Austrian races (the only races we actually need Peacock for) are spaced just enough that I need to keep Peacock instead of canceling & Re subscribing.
Of course their Black Friday deal was only for new subscribers. I subscribed a week before to watch the Gurgl race.
 

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Oddly enough: no coverage listed for the first DH at Beaver Creek. NBC has the races on Saturday and Sunday listed, but not Friday's race. I'd imagine it'll disappear in the Outside+/Peacock ether...
You can watch it on Saturday! Thanks NBC!

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You can also watch all the Beaver Creek races on Outside / on demand on Outside+.
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I've honestly given up on watching World Cup Skiing on TV/Streaming etc. The more I try, the more upset about it I get. I tried to watch the Women's Races at Killington. I figured it would have been easier for me just to drive there from Michigan.

If we want to get more people into the sport, skiing seriously needs to take an honest look at exposing nonskiers to the sport. Media should be a good method, but it is not.
 

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If we want to get more people into the sport
Not so sure we need more people in the sport unless there are huge terrain expansions.
I would like to see ski racing get more exposure so when people do get into it they have a desire to become proficient, skilled = safe skiers.
 

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Hi all—first time to post here, and another alpine ski fan tired of managing 3 subscriptions just to follow alpine skiing in USA.
Can anyone confirm that FIS TV's livesteam service airs all FIS events for countries like NZ?
 

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Not so sure we need more people in the sport unless there are huge terrain expansions.
I would like to see ski racing get more exposure so when people do get into it they have a desire to become proficient, skilled = safe skiers.
We do need the sport to grow. Adding skiers brings more money for R&D on equipment. I hate crowded slopes as much as the next skier, but I do recognize the need for corporations to make money in our society. I also support the idea of huge terrain expansions and existing and new resorts, as long as they are not Vail Resorts owned and operated.
 

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Not so sure we need more people in the sport unless there are huge terrain expansions.
Well there's way less chance of terrain expansion if there aren't more people coming into the sport. I think you need crowded slopes to justify expansion.
 

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Well there's way less chance of terrain expansion if there aren't more people coming into the sport. I think you need crowded slopes to justify expansion.
We are already there!
I am all for folks enjoying this amazing sport. Spent most of my life trying to develop safe, skilled skiers & riders.
My issue is just as you say, it is a “sport” not an E ticket Disneyland ride! Many areas at least from my observation have reached the boiling point where slopes are crowded with out of control, dangerous, clueless users.
Sorry for the rant but HH (not Healy Hanson) was taken out yesterday while stopped out of the way on the edge of a run & it irritates me to see what skiing has become.
 

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We are already there!
I am all for folks enjoying this amazing sport. Spent most of my life trying to develop safe, skilled skiers & riders.
My issue is just as you say, it is a “sport” not an E ticket Disneyland ride! Many areas at least from my observation have reached the boiling point where slopes are crowded with out of control, dangerous, clueless users.
Sorry for the rant but HH (not Healy Hanson) was taken out yesterday while stopped out of the way on the edge of a run & it irritates me to see what skiing has become.
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[edited to remove snark]
 

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Phil and i just picked up our media credentials for the Birds of Prey
We also received information about media coverage.

DOMESTIC TELEVISION SCHEDULE*​

Friday, Dec. 1
10:45 a.m. – Downhill, live on Outside (free)

Saturday, Dec. 2
10:45 a.m. – Downhill, live on Outside (free)
12:00 p.m. – Friday’s downhill (delayed) on CNBC
3:00 p.m. – Saturday’s downhill (delayed) on NBC

Sunday, Dec. 3
10:45 a.m. – Super G, live on Outside (free)
2:30 p.m. – Super G (delayed) on NBC

*All times Mountain Standard Time (MST)
 

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Hi all—first time to post here, and another alpine ski fan tired of managing 3 subscriptions just to follow alpine skiing in USA.
Can anyone confirm that FIS TV's livesteam service airs all FIS events for countries like NZ?

Unsure what you are asking.... going to assume you want to know if FIS events are airing in NZ on watch.fis-ski.com or FIS Alpine youtube? Yes - so far. And without a paid subscription - so far. If you vpn to an NZ server then you can watch either way for free - so far. Remains to be seen what happens as the WC moves to different countries.
 

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I’m curious if anyone knows how the live interval thing works that they show toward the right of the screen. I guess the athletes must have some kind of GPS tracker, but would be interested how the live interval time is actually calculated from that. It’s obviously only an estimate but it seems reasonably accurate. I could imagine they take an array of altitude vs clock time from the current leader and display the difference between the clock time of the racer on course at the same altitude as the leader. Everyone has to pass through the same elevation at some point no matter the exact path they follow from side to side. Would be a little imprecise if there is sidehill, but good enough for estimating? You could even factor in the derivative of altitude vs clock time. But wondering if they maybe do something more sophisticated or precise.
 

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I’m curious if anyone knows how the live interval thing works that they show toward the right of the screen. I guess the athletes must have some kind of GPS tracker, but would be interested how the live interval time is actually calculated from that. It’s obviously only an estimate but it seems reasonably accurate. I could imagine they take an array of altitude vs clock time from the current leader and display the difference between the clock time of the racer on course at the same altitude as the leader. Everyone has to pass through the same elevation at some point no matter the exact path they follow from side to side. Would be a little imprecise if there is sidehill, but good enough for estimating? You could even factor in the derivative of altitude vs clock time. But wondering if they maybe do something more sophisticated or precise.

A lot of it is guesstimating - for real.

The interval times are, by-and-large, done by hand (they were at Killington and it's fairly standard practice in tech events). Yup: there's a live, breathing human on the hill taking the splits. These people are well trained in what they do. In fact, if you've ever had to look at hand times for alpine ski races you'll see that most of them are pretty close to electronic timing - within one to three hundredths of a second, even for those not as experienced.

I'm guessing some of it could be telemetry of some sort, though GPS is not exactly accurate enough unless they're using a higher-end transponder. They could be doing something locally with radio or cellular telemetry but I'm guessing it's using an algorithm that knows the camera angles and speed and estimates things.
 

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I have no idea how this "live timing" works, but I would dare to bet it's done by hand... someone pressing button at certain gates (literally same as for split times, just that it's not on hill but in timing box behind the screen). That's why split (and this "live timing" even more) are as accurate as they are.
 

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I thought they had a GPS tracker in their boot? I could have sworn I’ve seen an article or video that mentioned a spot for the GPS tracker in the boot.
 

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I thought they had a GPS tracker in their boot? I could have sworn I’ve seen an article or video that mentioned a spot for the GPS tracker in the boot.
This has been the case for speed events in the last few world champs and olympics, but I didn't think it was a thing for world cups yet.
 

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I was trying to remember where I saw it, and I’m pretty sure it was from the end of last season. Someone from Atomic was talking about Mikaela Shiffrin’s GS boots and pointed out a few superficial things, one of them being the spot for the GPS. I can’t imagine it’s still tracked by hand with all of the technology of today…there has to be an instant, automatic measurement?
 

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I was trying to remember where I saw it, and I’m pretty sure it was from the end of last season. Someone from Atomic was talking about Mikaela Shiffrin’s GS boots and pointed out a few superficial things, one of them being the spot for the GPS. I can’t imagine it’s still tracked by hand with all of the technology of today…there has to be an instant, automatic measurement?

The split times definitely are done by hand. That's FIS timing rules, simple as that. As @Primoz says (and as I said earlier): it's a person doing it by hand, sometimes from the VAR booth, sometimes on the hill.

FWIW: that's why some split times are waaaaay off on the telecast, as the person taking the split missed their mark.

The thing is: GPS tracking needs to be extremely high quality to get good splits. At the very least it needs to be better than an activity tracker app on a smartphone and more robust, like a GNSS-equipped device from a manufacturer like Garmin or another GPS tracking specialist. Said tracker needs a clean line-of-sight to a lot of satellites to get accurate tracking - and thus accurate speed to calculate active split times.

It's not to say that the FIS and the television broadcasters aren't trying to devise something like this - it's compelling data for viewers - but I sure didn't see transponders on the boots of competitors at Killington - and I had a very close-up view of their setups. Yes, some boots had additional mountain points along the power strap mounting point, and anything attached to that would be covered by the athlete's speed suit (again, FIS rules for extraneous equipment), but it would look like a little lump on the back or side of the boot under the speed suit. And no pictures show that from the races that have happened thus far.

It's easy enough to create an algorithm to calculate relative split times from video footage, given the cameras are on fixed mounts along much of the race course. Would it be accurate for official timing data? No. But for broadcast or live timing services that aren't official? Sure.
 

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I don’t think you’re an idiot or maybe we’re both idiots. I don’t think it’s there. I give up, let me know if you find it. :doh:
@Teppaz said he watched the replay? Where is it?
Outside+ doesn't have replays AFAIK. Only live streaming. Because Peacock has the replay rights :doh: (Edit: Maybe not this year, the sadly cancelled Beaver Creek schedule posted above said Outside+ has replays... Hmm.)
 

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