Men’s World Cup 2021

[James]

On another note, can someone explain why everyone was burying themselves in th snow during the delays?

Those are some long poles.

 

[dbostedo]

Those are some long poles.

I didn't even notice that.... but they are.

 

[James]

Discussing the Hahnenkamm-

 

[Primoz]

On another note, can someone explain why everyone was burying themselves in th snow during the delays?

Start house in Kitz is really fancy place, which means nice, cozy and warm, with actually pretty good food too Perfect for waiting, but not so perfect for your boots. And when it gets warm, and yesterday was pretty warm, you want to have boots hard. Getting them to outside temperature, instead sitting inside at +20c, helps, but when also outside is in plus degrees snow helps.

Those are some long poles.

Normally DH/SG poles are some 15cm longer then GS. It helps to get extra time on start, as you can push easier and more efficiently with longer ones then with short ones. Best comparison would be xc skiing, where poles (for skating) are normally some 10cm shorter then your height. While such poles would be great for start, they would be a bit too clumsy for skiing. So you pick something that fits best for both, pushing out of start and not too much for skiing. Normally guys around 180cm have 140-145cm poles for DH/SG, but it also depends on racer.

PS: As you probably know already, today's DH is cancelled.... fog and rain in bottom, snow on top.

 

[Swede]

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Those are some long poles.

You would think Streif is steep enough to not bring your XC poles

 

[Swede]

Race pushed til tomorrow. SG on Monday, I hear.

 

[4ster]

Glad I peeked here too, now at least I won’t spend the day anticipating the race & wearing earplugs so I don’t inadvertently hear the results.

l ski with long poles so I can push faster than my friends to the powder
freshies .
I think Tomba was the first one I saw burying his boots in snow to keep them stiff. Oddermatt was in his liners with the shells buried in snow yesterday.
When l was at Kitz in 1981 to see the race, the start was still an archaic wooden shack & the netting was just waist high wooden pickets & bails of hay.

Watch closely from about 43:00, Phil Mahre, some good crashes & then the great Ingemar Stenmark bouncing his way thru his only WC DH.

 

[dbostedo]

Hmm.... if they'd all just switch to carbon fiber boots, they wouldn't have to worry about the temperature! Maybe they need to talk to Dodge...

 

[Moose32]

This was the start house in December 2019. There is a glass-like annex (to right of this structure, not visible). This past summer, KSC overhauled this start house structure - hopefully maintaining some original pieces.

Wengen's start house (top of Wixi lift) is to the right. Given the more rustic feel of the the hill, it is unlikely the Lauberhorn tries to "keep up with the Jones".

The 1981 Hahnenkamm race is fun to watch - great views of the pre-race activity (Ingemar, Franz, Sailer, Muller, etc.).

 

[4ster]

Hmm.... if they'd all just switch to carbon fiber boots, they wouldn't have to worry about the temperature! Maybe they need to talk to Dodge...

I tried some of those on once, they hurt before I even buckled them. Prolly work great for WC

 

[geepers]

then the great Ingemar Stenmark bouncing his way thru his only WC DH

That's kind of confusing. In the middle of Stenmark's run they cut to #18 (Hans Enn) bouncing into the fence.

 

[Swede]

That's kind of confusing. In the middle of Stenmark's run they cut to #18 (Hans Enn) bouncing into the fence.

At the time of the broadcast, a lot of people in Sweden shat themselves.

 

[4ster]

At the time of the broadcast, a lot of people in Sweden shat themselves.

Lol, I’m thinking Ingemar almost did as well
gotta admit it took some balls to choose Kitzbuhel as his only downhill. He and Mahre both did it for the combined points. Phil Mahre was actually an OK downhiller.

 

[James]

That's kind of confusing. In the middle of Stenmark's run they cut to #18 (Hans Enn) bouncing into the fence.

I know, very. A poor broadcast.
The famous call on ABC sports by Bob Beattie and Frank Gifford for the 1976 Franz Klammer Olympic downhill was actually recorded hours after the race ended. I heard an interview with Frank Gifford once where he mentioned that.

Here, I found it. He says 6 hours after!

 

[Average Joe]

I know, very. A poor broadcast.
The famous call on ABC sports by Bob Beattie and Frank Gifford for the 1976 Franz Klammer Olympic downhill was actually recorded hours after the race ended. I heard an interview with Frank Gifford once where he mentioned that.

Here, I found it. He says 6 hours after!

Yeah, and Bob and Frank were half in the bag having shared schnapps with the Austrians during post race celebrations.
The legend of Klammers win was certainly cemented by the energetic delayed commentary.

 

[Moose32]

Would love to see a better clip of Gustav Thoeni almost winning the Hahnenkamm DH in 1975.
Certainly makes Mahre and Stenmark runs on the Streif look bad.

 

[4ster]

The call...

New start list for tomorrow (Sunday)...

 

[DocGKR]

Sunday 24th DH: Feuz wins again, then Clarey gets 2nd (at age 40!), with Mayer in 3rd.

 

[dbostedo]

Clary
Fuez
Franz
Mayer

I didn't get the podium this time, but not too bad. Franz was down in 13th though... doing @4ster's job for him here and posting the results

 

[Noodler]

Hmm.... if they'd all just switch to carbon fiber boots, they wouldn't have to worry about the temperature! Maybe they need to talk to Dodge...

Or Zay boots (if they're still selling them).