The lawsuit MAY find that out. But it's not the only way.And this lawsuit will find that out. Otherwise, we would never know.
The lawsuit MAY find that out. But it's not the only way.And this lawsuit will find that out. Otherwise, we would never know.
I tell people if you can't see through it to the grass/dirt it's not *REALLY* ice. That's an over simplification of course but hailing from NEPA and skiing there growing up I know the difference between eastern ice and western "ice".I always find it funny when icy is described as coral and not hockey rink... I think it's an Eastern thing...
I tell people if you can't see through it to the grass/dirt it's not *REALLY* ice. That's an over simplification of course but hailing from NEPA and skiing there growing up I know the difference between eastern ice and western "ice".
My first ski experience outside of Colorado was at Blue Knob, PA. (How I ended up there is a long story). The conditions were exactly as @Andy Mink described above. After I got back to Colorado, whenever someone complained about ice, I would tell them, "There's no such thing as ice in Colorado."I tell people if you can't see through it to the grass/dirt it's not *REALLY* ice. That's an over simplification of course but hailing from NEPA and skiing there growing up I know the difference between eastern ice and western "ice".
I got hurt loosing control on my suzuki 750 going around a corner at 175 mph. I'm going to sue Suzuki for making a bike that would do 175 mph. Then, if that doesn't work, maybe I can sue my parents for raising an idiot.
If there's a point where you think the run should be closed, fine; man up and decide for yourself and don't ski it. Be responsible.
If I ran the world (and a lot of folk are plenty glad I don't), runs would me marked ski at own risk instead of closed.
A lot of the of terrain served by Summit chair is effectively above tree line. Juicy Pineapple Express storms followed by an abrupt cold front will often glaze the summit. Sometimes the icing is so bad it can take a few days just to clear the Summit lift & get it rolling again.Tragic outcome. Local talk says people were warned of very icy conditions before loading Summit chair. I can assure you I've been on Summit when I questioned my choice of putting myself in a situation that was dangerous.
I heard the child's mother was escorting him when they loaded Summit chair. Who is responsible for making the decision to allow a 9 yr old to be exposed to those conditions? In the end a child lost his life,very sad.
Conditions can change very quickly and it would be very expensive to continuously monitor everything. I've skied runs in spring where a cloud rolls in and within 1 minute, the snow feel changes considerably. Then the sun comes out again, and it changes back.About the only way I can find the mountain at fault is when the patrol director take the stand and say '"I told my GM my patrollers are fearing for their life. It's that icy", and the GM told us "We can't afford to give out vouchers, spin up them chairs!"'
Don't get me wrong, I often wish mountains would rate their runs based on condition, not just the gradients and width. But since that's not yet the industry norm, condition will have to be inferred by the customer. A complete boiler plate green run could still kill. That being the "inherent danger" of skiing! It's a "contract" the customers signed by buying a ticket!
I know you're right. I've never been told that conditions were unfavorable by bachelor staff either. I've been scolded by patrol however. Slow down..... anyway, I'm not pointing fingers but a parent should be vigilant in making decisions for their children. I coach young racers and I would be hesitant to expose them to those conditions. IMO no 9 year old should have been on Summit. Good day.A lot of the of terrain served by Summit chair is effectively above tree line. Juicy Pineapple Express storms followed by an abrupt cold front will often glaze the summit. Sometimes the icing is so bad it can take a few days just to clear the Summit lift & get it rolling again.
I've skied Summit on really icy days. Including days when it was literally sheet ice from the summit to mid mountain (or worse). Every time (for me) Bachelor did groom the main designated groomer runs (eg: Beverly Hills) - but it on really bad days the results would be like ice gravel. Skiable & better than glare ice. BUT (on some big ice days), if you strayed from the groomed you'd be on an ice sheet & going fast quickly. In some situations it can feel to folks like attempting to stop would be tempting disaster - so folks will try to ride it out. I've seen it & watch them crash & slide forever. Sometimes the groomed ice gravel is just too irritating for me so I'll ski the ice sheet (I grew up skiing ice & I keep my edges tuned & sharp). Regardless, if it's a severely glazed day off the Summit and you fall you're going to slide down the terrain for a good while.
I've never been warned by lifties, patrol or even a Bachelor ambassador that it was too icy to be "safe". Why should they? Ice and it's sibling - *snow* - are the fundamental natural risks related to skiing. If there's snow there's going to be ice. If there's too much snow (too deep) or ice (too much) the difficulty level goes up & skiers must make their choices accordingly.
If you're a long time PNW skier, you learn to see that telltale glaze on the untracked snow off the groomed and know it's an ice layer that you either avoid or adjust accordingly.
Might see a company rule barring employees from discussing snow conditions with guests.If Mt Bachelor loses and sets a precedent, then we're going to see more dumb rules applied everywhere else.
Might see a company rule barring employees from discussing snow conditions with guests.
Might see banning people skiing in icy conditions; might see banning children from taking lifts that serve non beginner slopes. I mean just look at the newly regulated gas cans.Might see a company rule barring employees from discussing snow conditions with guests.
I hate those new gas can. HateMight see banning people skiing in icy conditions; might see banning children from taking lifts that serve non beginner slopes. I mean just look at the newly regulated gas cans.