Nordica Enforcer 88s vs. 94s

Tom K.

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I've posted this video multiple times. I have the sneakin' suspicion you haven't seen it.


Had seen it previously, but watched it again.

Luckily, the snow I ski "gives" a lot more than that plank!

Very illustrative, nonetheless.
 

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Just spent a couple days on the Enforcer 94 in Park City... :)

More stable, more damp and exactly what I was looking for with regards to the DPS Foundation Cassiar 94...felt just as playful and forgiving and the added weight was not noticed...
I picked up a pair of Enforcer 94s to complement my 104 Frees...I have to say that I really liked them. The 104s are so good in fresh snow and even fairly deepish snow but as things firm up its a lot of ski to push around get up on edge....do-able..just takes more work. I was looking for something that works better in lower snow for big mtns (Mammoth, UT and Jackson Hole) for times when there isn't a ton of new snow. After skiing them in very spring-like conditions, I'm impressed. They are, obviously, significantly quicker edge-to-edge than the 104s but I thought they also handled variable conditions extremely well. Spring skiing at Mammoth can mean rock-solid refrozen crud and groomers in the AM and moves through the melt cycle during the day and ends with pure slush at the bottom. The quality of the snow changes rapidly from top to the bottom of the mtn and they are just very confidence inspiring regardless of what the conditions are like. I found them easy to maneuver in soft bumps and really a fun ski for those types of conditions.
 

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Okay, been reading through, I too need to jump in, I'm trying to make a decision. I ski the east coast (Timberline Mountain WV mostly). I've been skiing the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous 170cm - 78 waist (2006) for a loooong time. I'm 6' weigh 190 and i'm 58 I'd say advanced-intermediate to advanced. I too have been questioning the weight of the skis (legs aren't what they used to be). I've been told anything I get will feel totally different length and waist than what I've been skiing. Obviously, where I ski is mostly on piste. But, I do like to jump in the trees or the bumps and we do get some good dumps for the east coast.
Soooo, Nordica Enforcer 88 or 94's? Or, open to other recommendation
 

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@RickH can relate to your questions. Skied the Hot Rod HellDiver (90 waist) for a lot of years in the West and loved them. Went to the Enforcer 100's then added the 88's for something quicker; enjoy them both very much. As to the 88 or 94 question, you have to figure that one out.
On the weight, you will notice it the most carrying the skis to and from the parking lot. The Hot Rods were stable and handled mixed conditions pretty well, the Enforcers crush it. Suspect a fair part of their stability comes from the weight. Wouldn't loose any sleep on that part of the equation.
 

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Okay, been reading through, I too need to jump in, I'm trying to make a decision. I ski the east coast (Timberline Mountain WV mostly). I've been skiing the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous 170cm - 78 waist (2006) for a loooong time. I'm 6' weigh 190 and i'm 58 I'd say advanced-intermediate to advanced. I too have been questioning the weight of the skis (legs aren't what they used to be). I've been told anything I get will feel totally different length and waist than what I've been skiing. Obviously, where I ski is mostly on piste. But, I do like to jump in the trees or the bumps and we do get some good dumps for the east coast.
Soooo, Nordica Enforcer 88 or 94's? Or, open to other recommendation
I'd go 88's all day - love love LOVE mine it's my DD even on Western trips unless/until a legit powder dump hits, then it's the 104s which, *gasp*, I don't love. A bit 'heavy' and (due to lack of powder skills most likely) tend to submarine on me. May go back to renting powder boards on those rare but glorious days I am in the right place at the right time.

East? 88s
 

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@RickH You can compare our measurement of the Enforcer 88 and 94 here:
https://compareskis.shinyapps.io/compare/?_values_&selected_rows=[1722,1729]&tab="Compare"
You can select other lengths if you like.


All the specs are very similar (more different in the 172 cm version). Geometries are almost identical beside the width. These Enforcers are very torsionally stiff skis, about as high as you can get. It means they will have good edge grip and will feel more precise than other skis (instead of playful or easy to release feel). However, they have rocker, so they are not a race ski and will be comfortable outside the groomed trails. Bending stiffness is average. This is often related to the speed limit of the ski or the spring back you get from the ski in moguls.
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They both have similar surface-to-weight ratio, so I would guess that their construction are almost identical. The 94 is heavier because it is wider. They are both on the "heavy" side of things for skis with a comparable geometries.
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I am not familiar with the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous and we don't have it in our database. However, it seems that is is a much narrower ski (78mm) with much more sidecut than the Enforcer (11.5 vs 17m). If you are looking for something closer to that, you can use the comparator to search for a ski with the specs of the Hot Rod. For example, if you search with specs like this :
- 166 to 173 cm long
- 75 to 82 mm wide
- <14 m radius
You will get a short list of about 25 skis out of the 2000 skis in the database. You can select them and compare their specs. Weight or surface-to-weight would be another good specs to add to shorten the list even more. I don't have that info about the Hot Rod.

We will add 2021-22 skis soon!
 

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I'd go 88's all day - love love LOVE mine it's my DD even on Western trips unless/until a legit powder dump hits, then it's the 104s which, *gasp*, I don't love. A bit 'heavy' and (due to lack of powder skills most likely) tend to submarine on me. May go back to renting powder boards on those rare but glorious days I am in the right place at the right time.

East? 88s
Your complaint of an Enforcer ski of any kind feeling heavy makes me wonder if your 104s are edge high and/or have inconsistent base bevels(not at 1 degree tip to tail). This would cause the ski to not easily pivot and feel like more work than it should.
Check base flatness and hand tune the edges. A stone grind and a hand tune could transform them!

I had the 186cm mounted forward of the line even and it had decent float for a 104mm ski for my 175lbs. Don’t consider it a “powder ski” but is very fun and surfy in some soft or a bit of new snow.
What length are yours, what mount point and your size? Might just be a sizing issue.
 

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Your complaint of an Enforcer ski of any kind feeling heavy makes me wonder if your 104s are edge high and/or have inconsistent base bevels(not at 1 degree tip to tail). This would cause the ski to not easily pivot and feel like more work than it should.
Check base flatness and hand tune the edges. A stone grind and a hand tune could transform them!

I had the 186cm mounted forward of the line even and it had decent float for a 104mm ski for my 175lbs. Don’t consider it a “powder ski” but is very fun and surfy in some soft or a bit of new snow.
What length are yours, what mount point and your size? Might just be a sizing issue.
I will absolutely check that though I am a true tuning novice - did our first waxing and edge cleaning/honing - def didn't do any grinding or even heavy filing, ever - this past season. I'm 6' when I stand up straight, 187 lbs nekked, also in the 186 at 1 cm forward. They did seem to catch edges on pivots but I attributed those times to late day powder related fatigue. I don't get to ski the real thing that often and assumed it was all skill/fatigue, not the ski.
 

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They did seem to catch edges on pivots
This is a red flag of a tuning issue as they should be easier to pivot and "looser feeling" than your flat tailed E88 when flat or on a slight edge. Get them stone ground flat and have the edges set by hand at 1 degree base/2 or 3(for more bite) degrees on the side. Sharp from tip to tail up to their widest taper points and then smooth/heavy detune the edges above that. That ski is super fun and surfy in soft snow and shouldn't be the "work" you're describing. You'll love them after a fresh tune!
 
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