Passenger All-Weather Tires with 3PMSF aka "4season" tires discussion

[bitflogger]

Bridgestone new weather peak is coming right for the king and taking direct shots at cc2 in their marketing and testing claims, inviting direct comparisons.
Will be interesting to see how the real consumer reviews play out after a little bit.
Sizes may not be as available for SUV/crossovers though.

Bridgestone WeatherPeak Launched - Tire reviews and ratings

The new Bridgestone WeatherPeak is Bridgestones first attempt at an all weather tire for the North American market, and if the initial data is correct, it could be the first tire to knock the ...

www.tire-reviews.com

Very good to see the competition.

A big yes on the crowd-sourced reviews. Our first set of CC2s was gambling without that but a destroyed tire and pandemic availability meant act fast. It worked out including for the different sizes and vehicles they are on.

I have not yet replaced the van tires so will look at the new Bridgestone. We use AWD wagons for most skiing but it is a blast to do van trips with fat bikes and skis.

 

[bitflogger]

Bridgestone new weather peak is coming right for the king and taking direct shots at cc2 in their marketing and testing claims, inviting direct comparisons.
Will be interesting to see how the real consumer reviews play out after a little bit.
Sizes may not be as available for SUV/crossovers though.

Bridgestone WeatherPeak Launched - Tire reviews and ratings

The new Bridgestone WeatherPeak is Bridgestones first attempt at an all weather tire for the North American market, and if the initial data is correct, it could be the first tire to knock the ...

www.tire-reviews.com

For sure "Will be interesting to see how the real consumer reviews play out after a little bit.".

There's extreme BS in linked item (not you) where the fine print mentions Primacy against the all weather tires. We've had and still have Primacy concurrent with the CC2 and Conti DWS rated. They are no way in same league. They compare a luxurious freeway sort of tire against the all conditions tire.

The WeatherPeak is not available for our van needing tires but I did catch this review. It is interesting they mention the amount of thought needed because while not 3 peak and 3 peak rated both the Primacy and CC2 are very predictable no surprises sorts of tires.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=289

I'll watch product availability through the month and consider something else, but will need new tires on our van before a late season (early spring?) trip with fat bikes and skis. With that constraint it still seems hard to beat the CC2 or Goodyear competition for in the category.

 

[snwbrdr]

The WeatherPeak is not available for our van needing tires but I did catch this review. It is interesting they mention the amount of thought needed because while not 3 peak and 3 peak rated both the Primacy and CC2 are very predictable no surprises sorts of tires.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=289

I'll watch product availability through the month and consider something else, but will need new tires on our van before a late season (early spring?) trip with fat bikes and skis. With that constraint it still seems hard to beat the CC2 or Goodyear competition for in the category.

Keep in mind, that assessment is not based on winter conditions testing.

 

[tball]

Here's a very positive long-term review of the CrossClimate 2:

Michelin CrossClimate2 Tire Review Conclusion - The New 4-Season Standard

Our two-year-long test and review of the Michelin CrossClimate2 all-weather tire conclude on a positive note.

www.torquenews.com

I'm very much enjoying my CC2s. They are good on snow, but I feel that review misses the difference on ice between the CC2 and a true winter tire. I'll post a full review at some point.

 

[James]

It’s not exactly luscious feeling on the dry.
I also take issue with “no hydroplaning concerns”. There should always be concerns. It’s not a miracle tire.

 

[Jwrags]

It’s not exactly luscious feeling on the dry.
I also take issue with “no hydroplaning concerns”. There should always be concerns. It’s not a miracle tire.

Having driven them in snow and rain I think they are good in the snow and great in the rain. I will be putting them to the test driving home in the rain from the Oregon coast later today.

 

[cantunamunch]

o.

It’s not exactly luscious feeling on the dry.
I also take issue with “no hydroplaning concerns”. There should always be concerns. It’s not a miracle tire.

I thought I was ready for a luscious bike tire when I switched to Vittoria Corsa Next 2.0s. Supple. Elastic. Accurate. Fast. All those things went into 'luscious'.


Several iterations of cockpit changes later to quiet down the steering, the thought of a similarly luscious car tire just plain scares me.

 

[tball]

I really like the CC2 in the wet. I've enjoyed playing with them on my RWD fun car. I think they are as good or better in the wet as the many previous grand touring Michelin all-season I've run.

Wet is where the CC2 really shines over a winter tire. X-ice are fun in the wet because you slide all over the place, not the safest. The CC2 has a nice progressive grip in the wet, emphasizing grip. Much better.

 

[François Pugh]

It’s not exactly luscious feeling on the dry.
I also take issue with “no hydroplaning concerns”. There should always be concerns. It’s not a miracle tire.

Be nice to know how the CC hydoplaning compares with the Pilot 4S and the Pilot All Season 4S.

 

[Jwrags]

Be nice to know how the CC hydoplaning compares with the Pilot 4S and the Pilot All Season 4S.

I don’t know about comparisons but in the 2+ years of them on my car I have driven in a lot of wet conditions and have yet to experience any hydroplaning, even in conditions I know would have caused it with my previous tires.

 

[nay]

Here's a very positive long-term review of the CrossClimate 2:

Michelin CrossClimate2 Tire Review Conclusion - The New 4-Season Standard

Our two-year-long test and review of the Michelin CrossClimate2 all-weather tire conclude on a positive note.

www.torquenews.com

I'm very much enjoying my CC2s. They are good on snow, but I feel that review misses the difference on ice between the CC2 and a true winter tire. I'll post a full review at some point.

That article also linked out to the AT class with related review of the Falken AT Trail. They seem similarly enthused, particularly noting prowess in deep, wet snow.

2021 Ford Bronco Sport Winter Snow Testing - The Verdict

We tested the all-new 2021 Ford Bronco Sport in a winter nor’easter storm. What we discovered will be important news for shoppers.

www.torquenews.com

I was really surprised last April how that mild looking tread ate up frame deep wind compacted snow.

I’f draw the same conclusions that it is broadly better than a winter tire except on wet ice and the lateral traction feedback is far superior to the Bridgestone DMV2 SUV - that tire has grip but you can’t feel it, the feedback is floaty and not confidence inspiring.

I always come back to the same place that I wouldn’t run a dedicated winter tire unless it was studded. The current breed of all weather tires simply has a better overall performance envelope.

 

[snwbrdr]

Here's a very positive long-term review of the CrossClimate 2:

Michelin CrossClimate2 Tire Review Conclusion - The New 4-Season Standard

Our two-year-long test and review of the Michelin CrossClimate2 all-weather tire conclude on a positive note.

www.torquenews.com

I'm very much enjoying my CC2s. They are good on snow, but I feel that review misses the difference on ice between the CC2 and a true winter tire. I'll post a full review at some point.

Love the note that says "not a paid promotion", as the tires were provided free of charge, but he paid to mount the tire.

In other words, the author still got the tires for free, so that's already a bias, unlike an appliance magazine that buys all of their test samples from subscription costs, so it reduces the chance of manufacturer cheating.

 

[James]

Be nice to know how the CC hydoplaning compares with the Pilot 4S and the Pilot All Season 4S.

I suspect the longitudinal grooves do a lot better.
The issue I had was with standing water. There’s also a long hill on a highway that gets sheets of running water down it. You wouldn’t think an uphill like that would be an issue. Maybe they’re 1/4 inch deep, could be more with the ripples.

Ride quality on dry of the CC2 is slightly better than the Vredstein Quatrac Pros. I think. Certainly nothing dramatic. But the Quatrac Pros seemed to have quality issues. One of them disintegrated down to the steel, starting to lose air. Maybe 35k? I thought it was just another slow leak which they were plagued with, even after remounts.

 

[pete]

It’s not exactly luscious feeling on the dry.
I also take issue with “no hydroplaning concerns”. There should always be concerns. It’s not a miracle tire.

maybe the quote really is in relation to a dry day

just like a good politician or quoting statistics .. all in the spin

 

[cantunamunch]

maybe the quote really is in relation to a dry day

just like a good politician or quoting statistics .. all in the spin

Oh, funny funny guy

 

[murphysf]

Anyone have the AW365? How do they do in the snow.

I heard they might be made at a factory in Thailand

 

[murphysf]

Hello

Does anyone know where I can find the governing document that specifies the requirements or the standards that a 3PMSF tire needs to have to qualify for the rating?

Related there must be a certification checklist or report document that shows the data that was recorded for a given tire to pass and receive the rating / approval. Are these available to the public?

Who is the governing body over this topic, is it the National Highway xyz? or similar?

Thanks

 

[sparty]

ASTM F1805 – 16, Standard Test Method for Single Wheel Driving Traction in a Straight Line on Snow- and Ice-Covered Surfaces

Standard Test Method for Single Wheel Driving Traction in a Straight Line on Snow- and Ice-Covered Surfaces

Significance and Use 5.1 This test method describes a technique for assessing the performance characteristics of tires in a winter environment on snow and ice surfaces. When snow is referred to hereafter, ice is implied as appropriate. 5.2 The measured

www.astm.org

I did also find

https://www.ustires.org/sites/default/files/USTMA_TISB_37_0.pdf

which suggests it might be F1805-18, but either way, I don't have the appropriate subscription to download the actual ASTM docs.

 

[snwbrdr]

Hello

Does anyone know where I can find the governing document that specifies the requirements or the standards that a 3PMSF tire needs to have to qualify for the rating?

Related there must be a certification checklist or report document that shows the data that was recorded for a given tire to pass and receive the rating / approval. Are these available to the public?

Who is the governing body over this topic, is it the National Highway xyz? or similar?

Thanks

Didn't you create a thread on BITOG asking the same exact question?

 

[Tony]

Anyone know anything about the new Hankook Kinergy 4S2?

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Kinergy+4S2

Seems to have done well in the tests. See the video on this page.

Hankook Kinergy 4S2

Will the Hankook Kinergy 4S2 suit your car? Find the best tire for your car read 32 reviews for the Hankook Kinergy 4S2 and compare to other All Season tires at tire reviews

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I realize I'm quoting and replying to a two year-old post.

My BFGoodrich Advantage T/A Sport LT that worked well in March/April storms getting up and down steep sometimes only plowed to one-lane backways to Heavenly with 36K miles were on the wear bars with less than 45K. When I bought them at Costco over Michelins LTX, I didn't think I'd need the tire mileage I'd gotten from previous sets of Michelins as I'd be replacing my SUV, but it's still running good and reliable, so I had Hankook Kinergy 4S installed and an alignment yesterday.

I'd talked to Costco a couple of weeks previously and they accepted my non-Costco rotation records and that tires had worn evenly, but should soon be replaced. Costco did not have any 3Peak tires in my size and surprisingly said they would give me refund for not getting 65K miles from the BFGs even if I bought elsewhere as long as I returned tires to them. I got one more fair-weather trip to Tahoe out of BFGs, being careful on frosty early AM roads. My net cost including CA sales tax for four 235/70-16 tires was under $400 after $267 refund from Costco and assuming I get $60 Hankook rebate that was extended until 12/22. I saved $20 by not paying tire disposal fee and another $20 by getting install and balance cut from $30 to $25/tire. Alignment was another $95 and I need to go back to get rear done if my mechanic can unfreeze toe bolts that tire shop could not.

I realize these are not dedicated snow tires, but I never got stuck or went came close to going off snowy or icy road on BFGs. And the Hankooks should be much better in rain and seem to corner better than replaced tire. The tread pattern looks similar enough to Michelin Cross Climates that both place where I got them and Costco tire manager mentioned it. Will post again when I get them in snow and have enough experience to see if gas mileage changes.