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Non Region Specific RFID is not created equally

fatbob

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2 biggest problems with RFID.

Turnstile gates that rotate round with the slightest touch sometimes too fast to get both legs through.

Handheld scanners that go on the fritz. This is a resort problem not a skier problem and thus it is annoying if some jobsworth insists on detaining you while they reboot or whatever.

Add to that the guy who should never have been let near a customer service role let alone be a senior member of staff at JH who didn't post closure of the singles line than wanted me to do a punishment walk round the whole of the rest of the maze because his gate was playing up. No-one else in the line at all. Was he polite no. He just yelled abusively from the gondola platform before going off to drown some kittens.
 

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Mind you, this was not his wife's fault, but since he used her pass, she was considered to be aiding him in this.
I guess somewhere in your pass agreement it says that your pass has to be in your possession, securely at all times and reported missing immediately if its not in your possession.
I can't speak to that incident, but I have heard secondhand reports of resorts offering to restore pass privileges to the person whose pass was misused if they filed a police report indicating it had been stolen by the person caught using it. Of course, that would probably make things even more awkward at home.
 

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I too agree that the vr human approach works better mainly as the psychological deterrent vs the gates.
All of us who've spent some time watching lines at a resort know how crowds regress back to lizard brains and people think they can get away with it when there's just a mechanical gate.
I've seen a number of methods to bypass gates while coaching teenagers (all of them have passes, but that doesn't mean they have them on their person when trying to load the lift); especially with a crowd present, it can be pretty easy to sneak by if the attendant isn't watching closely (or is watching the screen too closely).

I don't know to what extent the passage photos get audited later.

A human with a scanner does make it easier to plead your case when you forgot your pass, but also harder to sneak by without one at all.

I forget which brand of gate Saddleback uses, but I was really impressed that they'd pick up my card no matter where it was. The Boyne gates are generally fairly picky about placement.

I really wish there was a way for a gate to understand multiple responses and filter the other resort ones out so I didn't get to worry about having my pass on me at a race elsewhere, but I'm guessing that's a challenging, maybe impossible, task with RFID tech.
 

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I really wish there was a way for a gate to understand multiple responses and filter the other resort ones out so I didn't get to worry about having my pass on me at a race elsewhere, but I'm guessing that's a challenging, maybe impossible, task with RFID tech.
I don’t think there’s an issue with having multiple RFIDs on your person. The scanner won’t read though if you have more than one RFID card very close together (e.g. in the same pocket).
 
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I hate the bounty.

I often feel like I’m being accused of stealing. It’s akin to being chased down in the parking lot at a store or restaurant and being asked to show my receipt. “Hey you, did you pay for those groceries?” “Prove it!” All in front of a crowd.
Not the vibe I want on a ski day. Oh well, that’s progress.
 

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RFID scanners and gates are here to stay. Resorts need less staff, and the gates scan basically everyone while the old hand scanners reading bar codes were slow and routinely missed many on busy days because they couldn't keep up. The gates at Killington generally work well, though the few that don't seem to remain in use without getting fixed. I know which ones to avoid.
 

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Turnstile gates that rotate round with the slightest touch sometimes too fast to get both legs through.
Interesting... I've never seen a turnstile gate in the US I don't think... they are all swing gates that I've seen, that swing forward to let you through, then swing back to close. Granted, sometimes they close and catch/hit my pole as I'm pushing forward, but I don't think they've been quick enough to catch my leg.
 

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Interesting... I've never seen a turnstile gate in the US I don't think... they are all swing gates that I've seen, that swing forward to let you through, then swing back to close. Granted, sometimes they close and catch/hit my pole as I'm pushing forward, but I don't think they've been quick enough to catch my leg.
Maybe it's more a Euro thing. Apparently called tripod gates

 

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We had a turnstile gate at work. One winter day, a senior manager got trapped in it, and the reult was it was turned off.
 

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True story as told by a teams coach at Alpine Meadows a few years ago.
An out of control grown man plowed into a coach(friend of ours) an his group at Alpine. He was beligerant to patrol, the coach and other staff that got involved. They pulled his season pass, which is actually an IKON pass and escorted him off the property.
He was mad to say the least.

He proceeded to go to Squaw and since his wife's pass was in the vehicle, he attempted to use her pass to finish out his ski day, where he was caught. His wife's pass was seized and pulled indefinitely. This is when he got beligerant to the staff on that side of the mountain and ended up getting himself and his wife banned from what is now known as Palisades Tahoe.

Mind you, this was not his wife's fault, but since he used her pass, she was considered to be aiding him in this.
I guess somewhere in your pass agreement it says that your pass has to be in your possession, securely at all times and reported missing immediately if its not in your possession.
This post makes me believe we need some kind of FAFO emoji.
 
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RFID scanners and gates are here to stay. Resorts need less staff, and the gates scan basically everyone while the old hand scanners reading bar codes were slow and routinely missed many on busy days because they couldn't keep up. The gates at Killington generally work well, though the few that don't seem to remain in use without getting fixed. I know which ones to avoid.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that RFID goes away.
My intent when starting this thread is to chat about and compare the different RFID gates and laugh at some of the motions people have to make while trying to get through some of the more stubborn gates.

My favorite place to carry a pass in in a sleeve so I can just wave my arm by the sensor.
However some of my jackets don't make that easy or even possible, so I put it in my chest or hip pocket which is when I rubbing my boob on the sensor or dry humping it to pass through the gate.
 

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One of my local bumps just got RFID gates last year for the first time. Or maybe it was two years ago. Regardless, on something like Day 2 one of the gates broke, so they just left it open for the rest of the year.
 

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My favorite place to carry a pass in in a sleeve so I can just wave my arm by the sensor.
That is where the Vail/Epic model of hand scanners is a little easier since you can direct the employee where to scan.
 

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Maybe it's more a Euro thing. Apparently called tripod gates


Interesting, thanks... I've only ever seen this kind in the NA:

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That is where the Vail/Epic model of hand scanners is a little easier since you can direct the employee where to scan.
It feels kinda weird when I tell them to shoot my boob with their gun ;)
 

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I forget which brand of gate Saddleback uses, but I was really impressed that they'd pick up my card no matter where it was. The Boyne gates are generally fairly picky about placement.

I really wish there was a way for a gate to understand multiple responses and filter the other resort ones out so I didn't get to worry about having my pass on me at a race elsewhere, but I'm guessing that's a challenging, maybe impossible, task with RFID tech.
I agree, Saddleback’s gates are great! I ski mostly at Sunday River and each time I’ve been to Saddleback I’m always jealous of how seamless their gates are in comparison.
 

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when the RFID was in effect things seemed to go more smoothly.
Rfid gates can have big line problems. The usual scenario is a small group has one person who gets stuck/can’t go through. They then block the entire access to the lift, and things back up quickly. This can happen with even one person.

The advantage to the gate system for the resort is that everytime you go through it takes a photo. So, if suddenly in the afternoon you have completely different clothes, you may get checked. That large pad they’re carrying can bring up a lot of info, and pictures of you.

I’ve been told by one of our main lifties that spouses are the biggest group caught for misuse of passes for epic. Aka theft. They’ll buy one and share.

I've never seen a turnstile gate in the US I don't think... they are all swing gates that I've seen, that swing forward to let you through,
The turnstiles are all over europe and they suck. It can be quite easy to get entangled in one. Or it traps your leg because you can’t move through immediately. You best not be squemish about your top sheets. At times it’s near impossible to not stand on the tails of the person in front of you.

They were way ahead on passes years ago. I remember in 1980 in Tignes our tickets had a magnetic strip. On a poma in the middle of somewhere, no lifty apparent, we just swiped it, got in, and somehow got a pole.
 
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