Sidecut on Nordic skis?

[crosscountry]

That just proves you've never seen any skis that bridge those two ends of the spectrum. If I show you a super short Fischer that has steel edges and twice the camber of your skin skis, which marketing category will it sit in?

Experimental.

Akin to breaking out FIS SLs and saying they are not 'alpine' skis since no one freerides on them.

Why is "alpine" ski now freeride skis?

No amount of "bridging" makes a fat ski a snowboard. Go ahead and put a snowboard binding on it!

 

[Tom K.]

A bit of side cut goes a long way to keeping the tip and tail engaged in a skidded turn, or even on a side hill.

Yes! My wife's classic crown Rossi's have a bit of actual sidecut, and they make lovely slarved turns out of the tracks.

I've jumped on them briefly, and it is a great feature. Not one that I'd use a lot, but it seems to have no downside if you aren't racing for FIS WC podiums.

You couldn't tear them out of her hands using any conventional method.

 

[Paul Lutes]

You just need some WVa inspiration! (Or moonshine )

Need longer poles.

XCD = cross country downhill ..... but not serious telemark.

Wait ..... does serious telemark actually exist???

 

[Scruffy]

Silly?

There's nothing in common between single and double camber skis, apart from they being "skis".

I get that in theory you can mountain tele binding on either. But in practice, tele skis are (almost) never "Nordic" skis.

I'm not sure what XCD stands for.

Hmmm... Fischer has been making their crown* series of skis for decades now and calling them Nordic skis. Maybe you should give em a call and have a word with them.

*Their Crown series are XCD ( Cross County Downhill ) skis have metal edges and side cut.

 

[crosscountry]

ischer has been making their crown* series of skis for decades now and calling them Nordic skis.

Any reason why they shouldn't be called nordic skis? How often do they get tele bindings put on them?

 

[Scruffy]

Any reason why they shouldn't be called nordic skis? How often do they get tele bindings put on them?

Why do you think tele isn't nordic?

 

[cantunamunch]

Someone tell Steve Barnett.

 

[Scruffy]

Someone tell Steve Barnett.
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Loved that book. Had the pleasure of conversing with Steve in the past-great guy, and hellava skier.

 

[cantunamunch]

Need longer poles.

I'll pass the word

Wait ..... does serious telemark actually exist???

VERY short...poles.

 

[crosscountry]

Why do you think tele isn't nordic?

Why don't you explain to me why these shouldn't be called nordic skis?

Then maybe we can discuss whether tele is nordic or not.

 

[cantunamunch]

Why don't you explain to me why these shouldn't be called nordic skis?

It's all nordic. At least three of us have been contending that from the beginning.

 

[Scruffy]

Why don't you explain to me why these shouldn't be called nordic skis?

crosscountry said:
. But in practice, tele skis are (almost) never "Nordic" skis.

Talking in circles? What am I missing?

 

[crosscountry]

It's all nordic. At least three of us have been contending that from the beginning.

Perfect! We have the proper context:

The current categorical breaks between 'XC' and tele are already silly enough

Now that we all seem to be calling tele skis as "nordic" skis. How many of these "tele" skis are double cambered?

 

[cantunamunch]

Perfect! We have the proper context:


Are "XC" skis Nordic skis or not?

of course they are - there is no categorical break between the two. Which was, is, and remains my point.

Tele is not what it is. Tele is what you do with it. And jumping skis prove it.

 

[crosscountry]

Talking in circles? What am I missing?

We do seem to be talking in circles. And I quite frankly don't know what I'm missing.

 

[crosscountry]

Tele is not what it is. Tele is what you do with it. And jumping skis prove it.

Can you do tele turns on skis without sidecut?

 

[Scruffy]

Tele is just a turn, not a binding choice

Maybe we should call it Sino skiing.

Maybe this will clear up the nomenclature: https://undiscoveredmountains.com/nordic-skiing-vs-cross-country-skiing

 

[Scruffy]

Can you do tele turns on skis without sidecut?

yes of course, even on skate skis.

 

[cantunamunch]

Can you do tele turns on skis without sidecut?

Are you asking for my own personal skill level? I can keep up with the better-and-younger people in that video about 40% of the time, so long as I remember that the straighter the ski, the deeper I need to go.

Now that we all seem to be calling tele skis as "nordic" skis. How many of these "tele" skis are double cambered?

Atomic and Fischer both used to be pretty good at putting high levels of camber - camber and a half - into their XCD offerings. If you want I can try to remember to take pics of the camber of my RT:10s and TM:9s and Fischer Revolutions.

 

[crosscountry]

Maybe this will clear up the nomenclature: https://undiscoveredmountains.com/nordic-skiing-vs-cross-country-skiing

"Clear up"? More like muddy up!

Yeah, I forgot about the 1 1/2 camber. I have one. Haven't touched it for a few years now.