I'm completely lost, LF. Are you quoting yourself?
She's responding to my post above which has nested quotes - and the formatting escaped its cages.
I'm completely lost, LF. Are you quoting yourself?
She's responding to my post above which has nested quotes - and the formatting escaped its cages.
I quoted post #114 in toto and added my responses in red. Felt compelled.I'm completely lost, LF. Are you quoting yourself?
You are such a pot stirrer today. My comments in red.
No. I am not joking at all.
OK then. You are implying that to ski bumps - as you understand my description - one needs the hip flexor and ab strength to lift the knees on one of these chairs.
, but cautious recreational bump skiers wanting to improve in the bumps who sometimes finds themselves in the back seat.
Seems useful and meaningful to me. Sinking low as I meant it requires flexing at the hip to bring the knees forward, flexing at the knees to bring the feet back, and flexing at the ankle to keep the heel seated, while keeping torso upright. Maybe you are envisioning feet waaay behind the hips. Not what I was going for.
My vision (close enough):
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@markojp asked why sink low.
Why? To set oneself up to extend into the troughs as your feet pass through them.
Got it. In that case, I'll say that for rec bump skiing, I'll go with LF, but I think you're talking about comp bump skiing, and LF is talking rec bumps. You're sort of talking past each other, no?
I prefer to stay low and extend feet outward and down as the turn hits the low points in the bumps, rather than to stay tall and flex to absorb the high points in the bumps. Both work. Conceptual models are important, but success can come from conceptual models that are quite different from each other.
Bring the skis back up under you? Of course the knee raise chair exercises don't help with that.
You bring the skis back up under you after you extend.
Tuna, the extending I mention is to the side, never to the front. I'm not coaching zipper line skiing where the skier maintains a straight line down the hill and goes directly up and over the humps, necessitating the backpedalling movement pattern.skis are already in front of you and you're in the toilet seat. Hip flex is maxed. Extending pushes your skis further in front of the CoM. And trying to fix skis in front with just knees and quads is ACL tearing time.
Why not use the glutes and hamstrings near-continuously, with as open a hip as you can manage - absorbing with hip flex only just enough to not have violent boot rebound?
Tuna, the extending I mention is to the side, never to the front.
I think you are assuming a move aggressive approach to bump skiing than I'm discussing. That may be the mismatch here.
At extension to the side, the hip needs to be open. Opening it is part of extending.I understood that, but if the hip is closed, you have no choice. All extension is unwillingly also to the front. Therefore any hip closure that isn't actual shock absorption is putting you in a disadvantaged, time delayed position.
At extension to the side, the hip needs to be open.
How about you provide your own description as an alternative?
Here's some stuff that almost applies. Thoughts?
Right. That video is all about racing in gates.Everything I've seen or read so far from John Leffler is golden for racing and conditioning.
I've not seen any rec bump skiers moving through that position in the bumps.
I've been wondering about the same thing. I'm going to take the Women's ski week at Taos and I have a pair of Blossom White Outs and DPS Pagoda 100s. I want to take the Blossom's for bump training/lessons because I feel like they should focus me on my technique, which is the point, right? Anyone here have an opinion on the Blossoms in the Taos bumps? I love the skis on groomers, but I'm a bit tentative on them in the bumps. They are not as forgiving as my old BP88s that I just sold!
I've been wondering about the same thing. I'm going to take the Women's ski week at Taos and I have a pair of Blossom White Outs and DPS Pagoda 100s. I want to take the Blossom's for bump training/lessons because I feel like they should focus me on my technique, which is the point, right? Anyone here have an opinion on the Blossoms in the Taos bumps? I love the skis on groomers, but I'm a bit tentative on them in the bumps. They are not as forgiving as my old BP88s that I just sold!
The Blossoms should be fine in Taos bumps, @applecart. The instructors there should teach you the line you'll need to take through the bumps, and the form to ski it for even the stiffest ski, which the whiteouts are not. Last year I skied Taos at the gathering with my Blossom AM85s which is just a slightly wider version of whiteouts/AM77.
The Whiteout was renamed AM85 last season.
Mamie won a pair on one of the forum contest. (Thank you SskiTalk)
It's a fairly light and compliant ski. Should be perfect for the Taos bumps. Definitely bring it.
I want to take the Blossom's for bump training/lessons because I feel like they should focus me on my technique, which is the point, right?
Anyone here have an opinion on the Blossoms in the Taos bumps? I love the skis on groomers, but I'm a bit tentative on them in the bumps. They are not as forgiving as my old BP88s that I just sold!
First, let's straighten out a minor factual glitch. The former White Out is now the AM 77, not the AM 85. Scruffy's right about that one.