The Atomic Professional Series

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Been out of touch on this for months -- biking season!!! -- but checked in at my shop today and they think they have liners coming in. No specifics yet.

Any guesses @onenerdykid? NW MT location.
Sweet news! Hopefully in the same box(es) as my dual straps, mid-December was the eta on those.
 
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onenerdykid

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Been out of touch on this for months -- biking season!!! -- but checked in at my shop today and they think they have liners coming in. No specifics yet.

Any guesses @onenerdykid? NW MT location.

Thanks!
Product is available... getting it out of Europe and into the US is a whole 'nother issue that no one has a good handle on unfortunately. Austria is about to go into another (light) lockdown next week, so things might become more problematic.
 

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Product is available... getting it out of Europe and into the US is a whole 'nother issue that no one has a good handle on unfortunately. Austria is about to go into another (light) lockdown next week, so things might become more problematic.

Thanks!

I'm just waiting patiently because 1) our lifts aren't even spinning yet, and 2) it's not like I can't go skiing in my Hawx S, or XTDs or (gasp) my old Lange RX boots.
 

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Hey Quandary, Mimic Professional is indeed a type of foam injection liner. I'll address your questions in the order you gave them.

1. Normally, they shouldn't crank the buckles down when molding a (regular) Mimic liner. Buckles should be on a medium tension. I often hear that shops do this and it must come from them applying the Intuition liner fitting strategy to Mimic. It's simply not ideal because it can overly compress the foams, creating a wider fit, unless that is the goal.
2. The boot is initially buckled on a medium tension (to find the right setting), the buckles are then released but still attached to the toothplates, the liner is foamed, the buckles are then closed when the needed amount of foam is in the liner.
3. It is done simultaneously. The liner comes out of the oven, it is foamed as soon as the it goes into the shell, while the Mimic material is still warm. Everything cools and hardens together.
4. Adding Hotronics won't be an issue.
Hi Matt (Matthias?):

Thank you for your very informative posts throughout this thread.

I just purchased the new (I guess carry over from last year based on your input) Redster Team Issue (TI) 130 boots, size 25.5. My feet are extremely narrow and I am coming from an old RT TI 150.

Based on my size, I believe the last should be 93mm on my new boots. There is still some space around my feet inside the liner so I will be using a Sidas Custom footbed to take up some volume.

I will not be able to go into the shop where I got my boots for a while so I have a few questions.

  1. It seems like the Memory Fit is for the shell. Since I do not need any extra volume, the shell will not have to be heated. Is this correct?
  2. World Cup Liner. For my application, should the liner be heated (i.e. to mold to my ankles, etc) or do you think I should leave it as is without heating the liner? Basically, I would like to know if someone like me with such a low volume foot will benefit having the WC Liner heated or will heating the liner "compress it even thinner" when molding to my feet, thus resulting in an increase in volume (i.e. say the 93mm last will now become 95mm, etc).
  3. Would you suggest I ski a few days in the boots prior to getting any work done (i.e. heating liners if necessary)?
  4. Finally, since my feet and shins are so narrow, I can get into the boot without too much of a struggle with the liner in the boot. Is this bad for the liner (i.e. within the ankle area where there is extra volume - will it "shift" or mess up the mold of this padding in the liner every time I force my feet in and out of the boot)?
  5. Continuation of question 4, should I remove the liner from the boot each time, place my feet into the liner, then step into the boot or can I leave the liner inside and step into the boot.

Thank you very much in advance for your help. I have been a huge Atomic fan since I was a small kid had have been using Atomic skis since the HV3 SL (both Module Technique and pre) and ESS days and currently use the Redster FIS SL 157 and X12 VAR. The 165's SL's were getting exhasting but I may go back to the 165's again. Even my wife and 5 year old son is on Atomic Redsters.

Oh this reminds me, when will Atomic release their new race bindings that have been tested at the World Cup for the last number of years (looks like my son's Colt bindings)?

Vielen dank!!!
 
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Hi Matt (Matthias?):

Thank you for your very informative posts throughout this thread.

I just purchased the new (I guess carry over from last year based on your input) Redster Team Issue (TI) 130 boots, size 25.5. My feet are extremely narrow and I am coming from an old RT TI 150.

Based on my size, I believe the last should be 93mm on my new boots. There is still some space around my feet inside the liner so I will be using a Sidas Custom footbed to take up some volume.

I will not be able to go into the shop where I got my boots for a while so I have a few questions.

  1. It seems like the Memory Fit is for the shell. Since I do not need any extra volume, the shell will not have to be heated. Is this correct?
  2. World Cup Liner. For my application, should the liner be heated (i.e. to mold to my ankles, etc) or do you think I should leave it as is without heating the liner? Basically, I would like to know if someone like me with such a low volume foot will benefit having the WC Liner heated or will heating the liner "compress it even thinner" when molding to my feet, thus resulting in an increase in volume (i.e. say the 93mm last will now become 95mm, etc).
  3. Would you suggest I ski a few days in the boots prior to getting any work done (i.e. heating liners if necessary)?
  4. Finally, since my feet and shins are so narrow, I can get into the boot without too much of a struggle with the liner in the boot. Is this bad for the liner (i.e. within the ankle area where there is extra volume - will it "shift" or mess up the mold of this padding in the liner every time I force my feet in and out of the boot)?
  5. Continuation of question 4, should I remove the liner from the boot each time, place my feet into the liner, then step into the boot or can I leave the liner inside and step into the boot.

Thank you very much in advance for your help. I have been a huge Atomic fan since I was a small kid had have been using Atomic skis since the HV3 SL (both Module Technique and pre) and ESS days and currently use the Redster FIS SL 157 and X12 VAR. The 165's SL's were getting exhasting but I may go back to the 165's again. Even my wife and 5 year old son is on Atomic Redsters.

Oh this reminds me, when will Atomic release their new race bindings that have been tested at the World Cup for the last number of years (looks like my son's Colt bindings)?

Vielen dank!!!
Matt (Matthew) - I'm 'murican, but living & working in Austria. Always nice to meet a long time fan!

To your questions:
1. Memory Fit is a boot-fitting technique for expansion. If you don't want a wider shell, don't do this. On a TI boot, it doesn't really do a whole lot anyway - the plastic here is thicker than thick. It's best to stretch & grind your way to perfection.
2. Our World Cup liner has some very dense foam in it. Heating a liner will never cause it to deteriorate. All it does is speed up the molding process. The lifespan of the liner is not sacrificed- it will still last the normal time (150-200 days of skiing). It just depends on if you want to grunt it out for the first 5 days or not.
3. I would suggest having major "red flags" addressed before skiing a boot. If your bones are right up against the plastic of the shell, no amount of skiing will make that feel good. But you can always do a little bit at a time just so you don't go too far (it is difficult to undo grinding).
4/5. Neither stepping into the liner when it is in the shell or putting the liner on then stepping into shell will weaken the foam or fit of the liner. They are the same in this regard. I will say that stepping into the shell with the liner on can wear down the heel/sole area of the liner, so if you do this use some sort of ski boot shoe horn (there are few types on the market).
6. New world cup race binding is coming shortly, stay tuned...
 
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