YesI've got this years Hawx Prime 130 S will the new liner be compatible?
YesI've got this years Hawx Prime 130 S will the new liner be compatible?
Thanks! I'm more asking to see if I can buy the new boot and expect the exact same fit from the shell as my current 130S.
Basically, the Professional Series is for people who have historically bought their favorite boot, got an aftermarket liner (like an Intuition or Zip Fit or Sidas etc.), and put on an aftermarket strap, like a Booster.
Happy to help. Foam injection is one and done, not possible to add more or remove it. But, in our opinion, that's ok because it's your fit and it just works.@onenerdykid thank you for your time in responding to all of these questions and comments. I’m very interested. 2 questions, today... One, is the foam injection one and done? Possible to add more? Does it ‘pack out’? Two, My local atomic dealer doesnt have the redsters, this year. How would you suggest we proceed?
Thanks again
Chris
Correct - the 2mm scaling up & down from size 26 applies to all of our boots, and the rest of the industry does the same. It's how footwear in general is made.The more I look at these the more I like them.
A question: does that scaling up of the Hawx Ultra also apply for the Redster? I mean, Hawx Ultra is stated as 98 mm last, but this only applies for 26,5 size. 27.5 is 100 mm.
Is it the same for the Redster?
For instance TI is 95mm in 26.5, but 97mm in 27.5 and ClubSport is 96 and 98 respectively?
Correct - the 2mm scaling up & down from size 26 applies to all of our boots, and the rest of the industry does the same. It's how footwear in general is made.
If this were just another foam liner, we would need to do that. But this liner is honestly very different because it is built with our plastic Mimic material near the outer surface of the liner and the PU foam next to foot. This provides with you solid engagement next to shell but comfortable support directly next to the foot. Because of this, we don't have a need for a super hard foam for athletes and softer foams for us mortals. The same foam that Travis Ganong uses (picture in the original post) is the same for us and vice-versa. You get rock solid performance and a boot that is comfortable to spend all day in.Will there be different densities of foam available? Stiffer/more rigid for advanced skiers and a softer more compliant for a recreational one?
This technology is really great. I currently have the Hawx Prime 130S. Bought the boot last year. I love it.
1. I am curious as to what you see as the typical Mimic liner life in days? is it 50, 75, 100 etc. I have maybe 50/60 days on mine and am now having to really crank down on the buckles for a solid fit as the liner is seeming to pack out. Is this typical given the days on the boot?
2. You have already noted that I can replace my current liner with the new Pro liner. My current shell has been molded and punched in a few spots. I assume the new liner when filled with the foam will nicely fill into the shell molding?
3. In a similar vane I am curious about the shell/liner molding interaction. Kind of chicken or egg question. Does the liner get filled then you mold shell? Or in theory does this liner remove the necessity of molding the shell in most cases?
Thanks!
onenerdykid
I am a bit curious, I admit I do not know a lot about foam injection but one reason I changed to the zipfit liner is my feet change over the course of the ski season. With the cork suspended in a gel, it adjusts to the changes, so my question is, as my feet change what happens with a foam injected liner? Will it create pressure points? I assume it's a closed cell foam so it doesn't compress.
If I read this correctly, unlike back in the day when the high performance boot consisted of injecting 2 or 3 times as much foam with high seem-busting pressure to make the instant-force-transmission rock hard liner, these boots all have a kinder gentler material somewhere inside them. Am I reading that correctly?If this were just another foam liner, we would need to do that. But this liner is honestly very different because it is built with our plastic Mimic material near the outer surface of the liner and the PU foam next to foot. This provides with you solid engagement next to shell but comfortable support directly next to the foot. Because of this, we don't have a need for a super hard foam for athletes and softer foams for us mortals. The same foam that Travis Ganong uses (picture in the original post) is the same for us and vice-versa. You get rock solid performance and a boot that is comfortable to spend all day in.
This technology is really great. I currently have the Hawx Prime 130S. Bought the boot last year. I love it.
1. I am curious as to what you see as the typical Mimic liner life in days? is it 50, 75, 100 etc. I have maybe 50/60 days on mine and am now having to really crank down on the buckles for a solid fit as the liner is seeming to pack out.
Correct, we use a softer foam than the traditional stuff that used to rupture liners. We spent a lot of time on finding the right mixture in order to arrive at something comfortable that was still supportive and durable (long-lasting).If I read this correctly, unlike back in the day when the high performance boot consisted of injecting 2 or 3 times as much foam with high seem-busting pressure to make the instant-force-transmission rock hard liner, these boots all have a kinder gentler material somewhere inside them. Am I reading that correctly?
Also I have customer foot beds. Would I put the stock beds under the custom?