Sure thing.I have a question about a local bootfitter/shop and would like to PM you on your opinion on the fitter. Is that ok?
Sure thing.I have a question about a local bootfitter/shop and would like to PM you on your opinion on the fitter. Is that ok?
It's a lovely heel pocket In all honesty, it's probably tighter than the Recon but it's hard to say because there are no straight lines on a ski boot that you can measure and say "oh yeah, this one is larger or smaller than that one" and liners have a huge impact/influence on that as well. You'll need to have your boot-fitter open the shell up, put your foot in it and compare that way.Two questions regarding the Hawx Prime and specifically the 120.
How is the heel pocket in this boot in this boot? While my feet aren't flippers I tend to fit better in medium volume boots due to forefoot width and height, but my heel is on the smaller side. I am currently in a pair of K2 Recon 120s, and I have had to add foam to the heel pocket to get a somewhat secure feel in the heel.
What is the BSL on a 25/25.5 shell? I believe that I heard on one of the Blister Podcasts in the past couple of years that the inside of the length had extended while keeping the BSL that same. Am I recalling that correctly?
Hi Zirbl, 30/30.5 is a tough spot for a guy like yourself to be in as most brands (including Atomic) don't make a World Cup or a recreational race boot in that size. Even on the actual World Cup, I don't think we have anyone skiing a size 29/29.5 shell (and very few ski a 28/28.5). So unfortunately even the 29/29.5 is a bit of a bonus offering. I think if you found a 30/30.5 that fits you but it a little soft for your needs, then it might be the best case scenario for you (unfortunately).Mr. Onenerdykid sir, first of all, thanks for providing more information on here than I've got out of direct mails to companies. On that note, I would like to ask you a race boot question if you don't mind. I'm at the point where an obvious weak spot between ice, a slalom ski and my 90 kilos is a non-plug boot. The issue though is length. With grinding and pushing, I get in a 30.5 recreational race boot. I asked my fitter about downsizing to open up the plug lines, but he was very doubtful given the amount of work we have to do on the size I'm already in. Is there any solution that is not commonly stocked but held back for rare cases, or is it just a case of tough luck and making do with a softer boot?
Many thanks.
At 6'6" and 225 lb I ski in 30.5 Hawx Ultras and Lange RS 130. The Hawx was thermomolded to my feet this year. The RS took a lot of work to open up for my right toes with just one small punch for the left. Apparently you can "stiffen" a boot using an upgraded lace up liner. I use an Intuition that is on the softer side, but the RS feels stiffer than the Hawx.Mr. Onenerdykid sir, first of all, thanks for providing more information on here than I've got out of direct mails to companies. On that note, I would like to ask you a race boot question if you don't mind. I'm at the point where an obvious weak spot between ice, a slalom ski and my 90 kilos is a non-plug boot. The issue though is length. With grinding and pushing, I get in a 30.5 recreational race boot. I asked my fitter about downsizing to open up the plug lines, but he was very doubtful given the amount of work we have to do on the size I'm already in. Is there any solution that is not commonly stocked but held back for rare cases, or is it just a case of tough luck and making do with a softer boot?
Many thanks.
We should probably start a crowd funding campaign for some brand to produce a run of bigger race shells and buy enough at one go to last the next twenty yearsMr. Onenerdykid sir, first of all, thanks for providing more information on here than I've got out of direct mails to companies. On that note, I would like to ask you a race boot question if you don't mind. I'm at the point where an obvious weak spot between ice, a slalom ski and my 90 kilos is a non-plug boot. The issue though is length. With grinding and pushing, I get in a 30.5 recreational race boot. I asked my fitter about downsizing to open up the plug lines, but he was very doubtful given the amount of work we have to do on the size I'm already in. Is there any solution that is not commonly stocked but held back for rare cases, or is it just a case of tough luck and making do with a softer boot?
Many thanks.
@ScottB put the Atomic thought in my head with his talk about the CS 130, but I wanted an all mtn boot since my Lange's still had life in them. Thus the Hawx Ultra. The bootfitter for the Lange's said there was no more room to play with on the right foot for the reason you mentioned - binding toe piece - so I can't imagine getting down to a 29.5. The Hawx were easy peasy with the thermomolding.Thanks a bunch for the swift responses everyone. Particularly if Anim's 29 is at the limit, it does indeed sound like I've just got to get on with it. My bootfitter's main concern was also interference with the binding toe piece.
Thanks Marker for the direct comparison Lange RS vs. Hawx Ultra. Had the latter suggested to me a couple of times as an alternative to the former, very useful info.
As Scott mentioned, it's the liner. "World Cup" models use a race room liner that is much thinner, more supple while the CS (at that time) used a thicker, more "Hawx" style liner construction. What a lot of skiers were doing was taking the World Cup liner and putting it into their CS boots. So for the 21/22 season (and beyond), the CS 130 comes with a Mimic World Cup liner. Same build as what the athletes are using, just lasted for the CS shell. (Covid note: We were supposed to launch Mimic World Cup liners in all 21/22 Redster boots (STI, TI, & CS) but we were forced to carry over the 20/21 TI & STI boots due to Covid chaos. So finally in 22/23, TI & STI are available with the Mimic World Cup liner that racers have been using since 2019/20).So I just started a masters race program and wanted to try a little stiffer boot than my Head Raptor 140 RS for racing. I found a new 2020 World Cup 150 in the 25.5 size I needed at a killer price. My Raptors are the same size which required a punch but what shocks me is that I have skied these WC 150s 1 day and can't believe I can ski these off the shelf with no boot work needed!
Then after I got the WC 150s, I came across another killer deal on some new 2020 Club Sport 130s so I bought those too. The CS 130s are a 25.5 size too but what is surprising is that they feel tighter than the WC 150s. In fact my feet were numb most of the day in the CS 130s and I had to remove them a couple times throughout the day to get the circulation going again (which is what I usually expect on a new boot day based off my previous boots). I know the CS 130s will be fine after another day or two on the slopes but I was just surprised that I had less pain with the WC 150s then the CS 130s off the shelf!
Where can I try these things on? I go between New Mexico and Winter Park, CO. I am at a loss to find someplace that carries both the Hawx Ultra 115 and the Redster STi 110. I have very narrow feet and a high instep. I need to try before buying. Both of these were recommended by my boot-fitter along with the Lange or Rossi ZJ+ or ZSoft.
I was bummed to see this. I was curious how the Atomics would work out for you. I've been loving my Atomic STI 70 LC so far, and I'm even able to use the stock liner for now. Which is amazing, because normally I'm in the same boat as you with needing an aftermarket liner like Zipfit or Intuition to take up space, particularly in the heel area.Level Nine was having serious issues fulfilling my order. I canceled it and picked up another Rossi ZJ+. The shells with the Zipfit work so well for me. I'm going to take baby steps getting the fore/aft and canting dialed in this time around. I'm fortunate that I can get on the hill several days per week to test things out.
I’ll put a pair on one of these days just out of curiosity. It’s a tough year for inventory.I was bummed to see this. I was curious how the Atomics would work out for you. I've been loving my Atomic STI 70 LC so far, and I'm even able to use the stock liner for now. Which is amazing, because normally I'm in the same boat as you with needing an aftermarket liner like Zipfit or Intuition to take up space, particularly in the heel area.
I got lucky in that mine were leftover from last year's stock.I’ll put a pair on one of these days just out of curiosity. It’s a tough year for inventory.