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Floyd47

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The new Corsa pairs well with my Lange ZA.
Is the Corsa a little higher volume than the Lange liner? I’m wondering because the Lange / Rossi plug liner is generally considered lower volume compared to other plug liners.
 

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@Noodler or anyone else: do you know if there is a difference in warmth between old toe box with the shearling fur (like Ugh boots) and the new toe box with Thinsulate & Merino wool. I can get a deal on an older ZF liner with the older toe. But it's not a deal if the new/current toe box is appreciably warmer. Money doesn't matter once you are on the hill. Thanks!
 

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@Noodler or anyone else: do you know if there is a difference in warmth between old toe box with the shearling fur (like Ugh boots) and the new toe box with Thinsulate & Merino wool. I can get a deal on an older ZF liner with the older toe. But it's not a deal if the new/current toe box is appreciably warmer. Money doesn't matter once you are on the hill. Thanks!

I do not own the newer 3M Thinsulate equipped models. So I would hope that this is actually an improvement, but we'll have to wait for someone else to weigh in.
 

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I have the Gara Stealth Leather (2021 version, I believe) but haven't used an older version. I have found them warm enough that I've been able to skip using my Lenz socks on most days. Before getting the Zipfits I always wore the Lenz. Everyone's feet are different so it's hard to say if you'd have a similar experience @BullMcCabe
 

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I picked up a pair of Garas earlier in the fall to replace some World Cups that I originally bought lightly used, and which didn't hold up as well as I was hoping (the sole started to separate after heating). I addition to being generally beat up, they needed some additional cork to get the fit to where I wanted it, so I decided just to replace them.

I went back and forth on the LV vs. HV versions of the Gara. I'm in Atomic Hawx Ultras and the shell fit is good, but given the World Cups needed extra cork, I went with the HV versions, and decided I could always remove cork if needed and deal with any discomfort during the break in period.

I've heated these in my Hot Gear bag probably 10 times and then flexed and walked around in the boots for 30 minutes to a couple of hours afterwards. These are shaping up nicely. I could barely get them into the boots and could then barely close the boots the first couple of times, but as the cork has moved around, they've gotten closer and closer to fitting. I still may need to remove some cork to get them right, but I'm going to ski them a few days first and see how that works out.

In terms of the liner itself , I like the way the Zipfit design has evolved over time. I've now owned a Grand Prix (bought new 10+ years ago), the World cups which I bought used, a pair of GFTs that I bough last season for my touring boots and now the Garas. The quality of construction and the revisions to the original design that are evident in the GFTs and the Garas are noticeable and seem to be upgrades over the earlier liners.

I'm looking forward to getting these on snow next week!
 

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@Noodler or anyone else: do you know if there is a difference in warmth between old toe box with the shearling fur (like Ugh boots) and the new toe box with Thinsulate & Merino wool. I can get a deal on an older ZF liner with the older toe. But it's not a deal if the new/current toe box is appreciably warmer. Money doesn't matter once you are on the hill. Thanks!
I don't notice any difference in warmth between the old gara and the new one.
 

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Thanks. I pulled the trigger on the old ones. Great price from Lockwoods somewhere in the UK.
They arrive this Friday. Freeride Stealth Leather will go into my Tecnica Mach1 120MV. I have a very good shell fit, 1 pinky finger in back/heel and maybe a mm around the perimeter, so may be a challenge. I liked the leather and price too good to pass up. $312 plus $38 delivery. May have some import "duties", not sure.
Will keep you posted.
 

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ZipFit has changed their guidance on liner fitting at least 4 or 5 times since I've been using them. So the risk you take is your own, but I do find it very odd that you ran into this problem. Were you able to fix the soles? What was the result?
Anyone know if there are differences or concerns heating with a gas oven instead of electric?
 

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Anyone know if there are differences or concerns heating with a gas oven instead of electric?
Thinking out loud here: If I don’t go to my local hockey shop with convection oven for skates, I will heat my gas oven to its minimum 170 degrees, turn off the gas/oven, wait a few minutes and then pop the liners into the oven. Or if I’m semi-freaked out, will go to my local ski shop 2 hours away. They have two excellent boot fitters.
 

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Thinking out loud here: If I don’t go to my local hockey shop with convection oven for skates, I will heat my gas oven to its minimum 170 degrees, turn off the gas/oven, wait a few minutes and then pop the liners into the oven. Or if I’m semi-freaked out, will go to my local ski shop 2 hours away. They have two excellent boot fitters.
Just wrap the liners in a towel etc. before putting them in the oven, and turn it off before putting them in. You just want them warm so the cork gets a little soft. Do NOT use the microwave. A heated boot bag works good too.
 

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Just wrap the liners in a towel etc. before putting them in the oven, and turn it off before putting them in. You just want them warm so the cork gets a little soft. Do NOT use the microwave. A heated boot bag works good too.
Thx! Very helpful. Will go with towel.
 

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Last one I did with the newest gen Corsas was heat the liners at 75 Celsius for about 15 minutes, put them on and inserted into shells.

Then, after wearing them for an hour or so, I stuck the shells in the oven at 60 Celsius for ten minutes, put them on, and bam, very happy.

I did the same with my older Corsas. Works quite well.
 

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If people are worried about heating them up in ovens, it’s an optional, not mandatory step. The Omfit will mold around your for from use. The pre-use heating just accelerates that.

Other heating options include putting liners in front of a heater (say a gas heater), or in the heated foot well of your car as you drive to the mountain, in a heated boot bag, or a warm drying room. Or none of the above. Oh, and you could utilise one of those specialist boot heaters or ovens in a ski shop.

I’ve used pretty much all those options, and never stuck my boots or liners in the oven. Given the other options are lower risk and achieve much the same thing, or exactly the same thing, why would I?
 

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If people are worried about heating them up in ovens, it’s an optional, not mandatory step. The Omfit will mold around your for from use. The pre-use heating just accelerates that.

Other heating options include putting liners in front of a heater (say a gas heater), or in the heated foot well of your car as you drive to the mountain, in a heated boot bag, or a warm drying room. Or none of the above. Oh, and you could utilise one of those specialist boot heaters or ovens in a ski shop.

I’ve used pretty much all those options, and never stuck my boots or liners in the oven. Given the other options are lower risk and achieve much the same thing, or exactly the same thing, why would I?
Thx everyone. So good to hear everyone’s experience and look for commonalities. All very helpful & confirms what @Noodler says. I have him as the ZF guru. The company reps are truly very nice but, unfortunately, I haven’t found them to be particularly helpful via phone. Not trying to bang on them but just sharing my experience.
 

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Thx everyone. So good to hear everyone’s experience and look for commonalities. All very helpful & confirms what @Noodler says. I have him as the ZF guru. The company reps are truly very nice but, unfortunately, I haven’t found them to be particularly helpful via phone. Not trying to bang on them but just sharing my experience.
I find them much warmer than stock liners but I don’t get cold feet. I got the new Gara.
 

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Last one I did with the newest gen Corsas was heat the liners at 75 Celsius for about 15 minutes, put them on and inserted into shells.

Then, after wearing them for an hour or so, I stuck the shells in the oven at 60 Celsius for ten minutes, put them on, and bam, very happy.

I did the same with my older Corsas. Works quite well.
Is this a regular or convection ovn? 75 celsius in a regular is the same as 55 in a convection.
 

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