Tip Lead

[geepers]

both inside legs

Are there really two inside legs or are folks just really pleased to be back on snow?

 

[Erik Timmerman]

Oopsie. Fixed it.

 

[Chris V.]

Are there really two inside legs or are folks just really pleased to be back on snow?

I don't know, but I have two left feet!

 

[Erik Timmerman]

Talk to us more of leveling, then?

Can your leveling cues be used in a dryland test case, with one booted leg on the floor and one up on a footstool?

If it helps, my personal leveling cue on snow is a negative one. I wish I could think of a positive one, but for me I want to NOT feel the pinch in my side. If I feel the rib coming to my pelvis I know that I am not leveling. I want to feel more like I am folding at the waist. I'd like to get a belt buckle with a giant Fischer logo that would jab me in the belly when leveling correctly.

 

[markojp]

If it helps, my personal leveling cue on snow is a negative one. I wish I could think of a positive one, but for me I want to NOT feel the pinch in my side. If I feel the rib coming to my pelvis I know that I am not leveling. I want to feel more like I am folding at the waist. I'd like to get a belt buckle with a giant Fischer logo that would jab me in the belly when leveling correctly.

Absolutely! The pinch' tells me the spine is doing the work of upper and lower body separation. The name of the band IS NOT spinal twist and torque. Great for chiropractor job security and exam recidivism rates though.

 

[geepers]

If it helps, my personal leveling cue on snow is a negative one. I wish I could think of a positive one, but for me I want to NOT feel the pinch in my side. If I feel the rib coming to my pelvis I know that I am not leveling. I want to feel more like I am folding at the waist. I'd like to get a belt buckle with a giant Fischer logo that would jab me in the belly when leveling correctly.

Thought I knew what hip leveling meant - until this post.

There seems to be different approaches: leveling largely through lateral movement at the hips and leveling mostly by upper/lower separation. You seem to be in the latter camp? Does that mean you are less of a fan of staying square-ish to the skis?

Also, as ski performance increases, is there too much emphasis on keeping hips level? This guy skis pretty well and those hips are a long way from level. So can we minimise the pinch through more inclination, less angulation (assuming we angulate enough to retain grip)?

 

[Chris V.]

This guy skis pretty well and those hips are a long way from level.

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I see a lot of angulation. How much more level could the hips be at this kind of edge angle? My body wouldn't bend much more. It's called leveling, not level. Am I missing something?

 

[Erik Timmerman]

Thought I knew what hip leveling meant - until this post.

There seems to be different approaches: leveling largely through lateral movement at the hips and leveling mostly by upper/lower separation. You seem to be in the latter camp? Does that mean you are less of a fan of staying square-ish to the skis?

Also, as ski performance increases, is there too much emphasis on keeping hips level? This guy skis pretty well and those hips are a long way from level. So can we minimise the pinch through more inclination, less angulation (assuming we angulate enough to retain grip)?

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I wouldn't say keepthehips level. That implies that you want them level the whole time. I like that leveling is a verb. I'm assuming that skier is coming straight down the fall line at that point of the turn. He can (maybe) start to level more from there. He probably had more inclination above. That's leveling. Looks like the appropriate amount of counter for that turn too. And maybe no tip-lead? Hard to say from dead ahead. If you unleveled him more he'd probably lose control of that inside foot and get more tip-lead.

 

[geepers]

I see a lot of angulation. How much more level could the hips be at this kind of edge angle? My body wouldn't bend much more. It's called leveling, not level. Am I missing something?

Had in mind this...

Comparatively JDS has less angulation for roughly the same point in the turn.

Take your (and @Erik Timmerman ) point. Leveling does not mean level. Which is what I was reading in to it.

 

[LiquidFeet]

Whatever amount of "level" keeps both the tails and tips gripping.

 

[JCF]

Not sure if this is off topic or not, or if anyone else will see the connection or be interested...

I surf so for me it is interesting and has always been obvious that there is a sharing of body awareness and feel and communication or feedback with the environment. It is all heightened with surfing as you have to adapt simultaneously to changes in a 4 dimensional playing field - the "mountain" moves and every part of your body (including the mind) affects what you are able to do in any situation that develops.
The most interesting thing about technique is how there is an equal amount of "forgetting" technique that comes in to play.
But these guys explain it better than me so if you can get this it is worth a listen.

 

[JCF]

And if you're really crazy....

 

[LiquidFeet]

....there is a sharing of body awareness and feel and communication or feedback with the environment. It is all heightened with surfing as you have to adapt simultaneously to changes in a 4 dimensional playing field - the "mountain" moves and every part of your body (including the mind) affects what you are able to do in any situation that develops.....

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Here's the link to that interview featuring Tom Gellie and Clayton Nienaber. It's free on YouTube.

 

[geepers]

For the past year or more Richie has taken to posting youtubes without explanation. In this case there is an explanation as it's one of the drills he describes in his section in Projected Production's Legacy Part 2 - Long Turns.



The outside pole tuck is intended to keep the hips and shoulders facing the direction of the skis and direction of travel. Says it's better for controlling pressure on & between the skis and is a stronger. Angulation comes from leveling the hips whilst still facing the skis.

@Erik Timmerman - this in line with what you mean?

 

[slow-line-fast]

The most interesting thing about technique is how there is an equal amount of "forgetting" technique that comes in to play.

Interested but not going to wade through an hour of audio or try to follow screenshots to the same. Please paraphrase and-or point us to a cued and openly accessible link.

 

[Erik Timmerman]

For the past year or more Richie has taken to posting youtubes without explanation. In this case there is an explanation as it's one of the drills he describes in his section in Projected Production's Legacy Part 2 - Long Turns.



The outside pole tuck is intended to keep the hips and shoulders facing the direction of the skis and direction of travel. Says it's better for controlling pressure on & between the skis and is a stronger. Angulation comes from leveling the hips whilst still facing the skis.

@Erik Timmerman - this in line with what you mean?

Yep. that's leveling.

 

[Erik Timmerman]

Compare to this slo-mo at about 4:40.

 

[geepers]

Compare to this slo-mo at about 4:40.

What are we comparing?

 

[Erik Timmerman]

It looks like Berger's drill just lines up perfectly with what Radamus is doing.

 

[razie]

Some skiers go for absolute performance, spending hours in the gym, others ski more relaxed while others lack the hip mobility necessary and angulate at the spine instead etc.

Alignment issues also impact hip leveling and counterbalancing.

The fact that we will see everything all the time does not invalidate the principle that balance is better with separating at the hip laterally, that counter creates angulation below the fall line and that off piste skiing absolutely requires separation in all planes and using all joints (@geepers will love that last one ). It's true.