Boot size may be an unconscious factor.
Yes...time for another fitter evaluation?
Boot size may be an unconscious factor.
hadn't thought of it that way - it does seem like it's a "hanging on" reflex.In ny case toe clenching was mostly a manifestation of anxiety.
We don't judge here - we only deliberate the issues! But yeah, toe curling, to me, is like crossing your ankles while in the dentist's chair. I'm not fond of my dentist so I do it every time and have to uncross and relax.hadn't thought of it that way - it does seem like it's a "hanging on" reflex.
Don't judge my prehensile toes.
I can't think of any activity where toe curling is positive. Where do you think it is? We tend to do it in flip flops and I think that leads to all sorts of problems.
First thing to check is boot size, per this post two above yours. It's not about the room in the toe box; it's about trying to stabilize the important parts of your foot in the boot. In my case, for example, that's often in the area of the lower cuff buckle where I have extremely low volume.Finally got out for a couple days this season and noticed I was doing this sometimes, which didn't seem like a good idea.
I think it mostly happened on scrapey hard pack going faster trying to hold the bottom of my turn.
My first thought was I'm probably not keeping enough pressure on my cuff.
When I had my boots fitted, I asked to leave some toe room (they used a top cap) - I have a mortons neuroma that the cold seems to aggravate. I also don't tend to tighten front buckles down too tight.
So something (else) for me to pay attention to. Any other musings out there?
PS - I should clarify that by curling/clenching I mean pressing down with the toes not up.
comfort first, control second usually means the boots will be too big (as said before) and clenched toes.
This issue has lead most folks to buy boots that are often 2 sizes larger than they need to have control, they then spend the majority of the day
trying to make up for this lack of control (LOTS OF EXTRA WORK). and usually leads to back seat skiing, (NO FUN).
OP should see a good "boot fitter" to solve this issue because a boot to big will allow the liner to move fore/aft inside the shell on every turn, which sucks away from that nice word "Control".
Mike
Master Bootfitter/Cped.
That sounds correct to me. I don't think anyone is curling their toes to fill volume.It seems to me that you can try and clench your toes no matter the fit -- your range of motion maybe be significantly reduced by a tight fit. If the tendency to clench is more mental, then boot fit alone won't solve the problem.
I think the point is your foot may be moving around in the boot more than you realize so you're clenching your toes to try to stop it.On boot size/fit...
It seems to me that you can try and clench your toes no matter the fit -- your range of motion maybe be significantly reduced by a tight fit. If the tendency to clench is more mental, then boot fit alone won't solve the problem.
So I guess the tangent question is: what's a properly fitted (and buckled) boot supposed to feel like (at rest and under the forces of motion)? Probably other threads on this already...
I believe my boots are well fitted, but not necessarily for maxed out performance. And I tend to focus more on buckle/strap on the cuff keeping my heel in place, not really the mid/fore foot. I have played a little with loose buckling (strap, moderate on cuff, loose over foot) on easy groomed terrain to get a better feel for balance etc. I don't normally ski with that much slop in the fit.
Sure they are. It's part of tensing up your whole foot to try to get it to press meaninfully up against the shell. Imagine your hand in a Bordeaux glass while you're doing the dishes. You relax your hand, it goes and out easily, and moves around all you want inside with the sponge. Now put your hand inside and make a fist. Don't break the glass!That sounds correct to me. I don't think anyone is curling their toes to fill volume.
That sounds correct to me. I don't think anyone is curling their toes to fill volume.
Sure they are. It's part of tensing up your whole foot to try to get it to press meaninfully up against the shell. Imagine your hand in a Bordeaux glass while you're doing the dishes. You relax your hand, it goes and out easily, and moves around all you want inside with the sponge. Now put your hand inside and make a fist. Don't break the glass!
Wow -- wrong size, but almost no wear on the soles! Gotta check what the size range for common sole plates is.
Nonetheless, I had a period of cramped, clenched toes that I resolved by forcing myself to relax.
Relaxation helps with that too...You really don't want to know the image I had.
I find toe lifting really effective when you combine it with lifting the pelvis up and forward as well as getting rid of any bend at the waist issues. So many of these helpful hints that fall flat for some, absolutely depend on having the correct posture and the skier's COM slightly in front of the BOS. Is it a cause or an effect? I really don't know. I'm guessing that lifting the foot/toes represents the last 2% of "getting forward" but that 2% is where the fine adjustment motor skills live. Also where flow, style and speed come together.Went out today and played with lifting the toes today. That was weird.
What I found:
pretty effective for doing a wedge turn.
Tough on the calf muscles.
Caused you to close the ankle joint a little.
Not something to teach anybody on purpose.
So basically the reason you like long skis is that with those boots there is a yard-long flat spot in the middle that's not helping you deal with the terrain.View attachment 155576
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