Tyrolia Protector Series of Bindings

[David]

Got it. I had to push the heel to the side to lift out the tab held by the torx screws.

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The sliding-then-rotating mechanism is pretty clever.

But man, this thing has a lot of springs. 2 for the main clamp, 1 for the lateral movement, 2 for forward pressure, 1 for the adjustment tab, and 1 or 2 I can't see in the rotating piece. There must be an opportunity for a simpler design.

Well there goes your warranty!

 

[GA49]

Any benefit to the wider Protector Attack MN 13 toe piece being wider than the other models?

 

[tomahawkins]

Well there goes your warranty!

All better now.

 

[Philpug]

Any benefit to the wider Protector Attack MN 13 toe piece being wider than the other models?

If you need Multi Norm capability and it would be my choice on any ski over 90mm underfoot.

 

[Philpug]

Got it. I had to push the heel to the side to lift out the tab held by the torx screws.

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The sliding-then-rotating mechanism is pretty clever.

But man, this thing has a lot of springs. 2 for the main clamp, 1 for the lateral movement, 2 for forward pressure, 1 for the adjustment tab, and 1 or 2 I can't see in the rotating piece. There must be an opportunity for a simpler design.

Maybe I missed it but was is the objective here?

 

[Uncle-A]

Maybe I missed it but was is the objective here?

Haven't you ever wanted to take something apart just to see how it works or what makes it special?

 

[KingGrump]

Haven't you ever wanted to take something apart just to see how it works or what makes it special?

It usually dies right after we figure out what makes it special.

 

[GA49]

If you need Multi Norm capability and it would be my choice on any ski over 90mm underfoot.

Got it..picked up another MN 13 set for my Camox which are 96 underfoot.

 

[charlier]

Having skied them on the new-for-23 Head Shape 8 and Shape 10 all I can say is they are transparent. In other words they don't have any weird feel that a "regular" binding wouldn't. They're light and transfer boot to ski fine. Fortunately (or not, depending on how you look at it) I didn't test their claim to fame, the lateral heel release. I'll let someone else chime in on that! The theory makes a lot of sense and I believe these bindings will be one of those big jumps in the industry. Yes, it's been done in one form or another before but this one has Tyrolia behind it. A big name AND production.

Did the stack height affect your skiing?

 

[Andy Mink]

Did the stack height affect your skiing?

No, but this was on narrower skis. My personal AM77s have a plate so they're a bit higher too. I would think as the ski gets wider I'd be working harder with the height to get in edge. Big stack height + wide skis = sore knees, at least for me.

 

[charlier]

No, but this was on narrower skis. My personal AM77s have a plate so they're a bit higher too. I would think as the ski gets wider I'd be working harder with the height to get in edge. Big stack height + wide skis = sore knees, at least for me.

Paired with SShape e-rally and Shape v-8 on Head rail system, with 290 BSL or 280 (wife)

 

[David]

No, but this was on narrower skis. My personal AM77s have a plate so they're a bit higher too. I would think as the ski gets wider I'd be working harder with the height to get in edge. Big stack height + wide skis = sore knees, at least for me.

How wide of a ski would you go with these bindings?

 

[Andy Mink]

How wide of a ski would you go with these bindings?

For me, probably mid 90s. Others with younger knees could go wider, I'm sure. I very rarely ski anything in triple digits.

 

[neonorchid]

For me, probably mid 90s. Others with younger knees could go wider, I'm sure. I very rarely ski anything in triple digits.

Somewhat surprised that after dealing with your wife's recent ACL rupture you still put a higher value on mitigating knee pain with mid fat 95 - 100mm skis via low stack binders over high stack store knee ACL mitigating binders with the mid-fats. I mean I would think with knees susceptible to flare ups that the priority would be ACL mitigation binders
Question: do you feel the SLR 28mm stack too high for your knees on a 95 - 100mm wide ski and or is SLR simply not burly enough at your size and weight to be an option for you?

 

[tomahawkins]

No, but this was on narrower skis. My personal AM77s have a plate so they're a bit higher too. I would think as the ski gets wider I'd be working harder with the height to get in edge. Big stack height + wide skis = sore knees, at least for me.

Wide skis do contribute to sore knees: wider planks have a longer lever arm you have to fight against. But stack height? That's a longer lever arm in your favor.

 

[charlier]

Back to Protector toe choices
Correct me if I am incorrect - the PR toe has a longitudinal spring which allows more elasticity and the Attack toe which is a lateral spring which is a quicker return to center and is MN (not needed for me).

It seems to me that a quick return to center and more elasticity is more important than a few more millimeters of travel. I am probably overthinking the differences. The bindings will go on a Head Rail system on an e-Rally.

 

[Uncle-A]

Back to Protector toe choices
Correct me if I am incorrect - the PR toe has a longitudinal spring which allows more elasticity and the Attack toe which is a lateral spring which is a quicker return to center and is MN (not needed for me).

It seems to me that a quick return to center and more elasticity is more important than a few more millimeters of travel. I am probably overthinking the differences. The bindings will go on a Head Rail system on an e-Rally.

The more elasticity is a few more MM of travel before total release. Faster return to center is as it says, the quick recentering if no release takes place. You can can chose what is more important to you.

 

[charlier]

The more elasticity is a few more MM of travel before total release. Faster return to center is as it says, the quick recentering if no release takes place. You can can chose what is more important to you.

I completely understand the two functions, I was curious about others views regarding what might be more important for a skier. Probably the return to center is a best.

 

[Uncle-A]

I completely understand the two functions, I was curious about others views regarding what might be more important for a skier. Probably the return to center is a best.

I think it depends on what you like to ski. If you ski a lot of bumps, you might want more elasticity. If you tend to ski the fall line with speed, return to center might be better.

 

[Skighandi]

It usually dies right after we figure out what makes it special.

For me, it's when I can't put it back together again...