It's like..let's not go looking into trail damage AGAIN...cuz it might not work out for MTB at all!
I'm entirely on this page - and the proof is I'm looking at creosote proof suits for another railbed ride.
It's like..let's not go looking into trail damage AGAIN...cuz it might not work out for MTB at all!
Do we know what class ebike did that? Or was it a tool on a regular bike just spinning tires in a low gear? We did that as kids with our bikes way back in the day, no e needed. If it was an ebike and people saw it, then it becomes an "educational opportunity" to explain the pitfalls to operator. @Erik Timmerman, I'm not saying you are wrong, just exploring other possibilities. Just like when I see tire tracks off the side of a trail I can't tell what kind of bike made those tracks.View attachment 168857
These e-burnout marks were all over the rail trail yesterday.
No, no idea, didn't see them in action, but these were all over the place. Some were probably deep enough to catch a rider out. The farther we got from town, the fewer there were.Do we know what class ebike did that?
I bet that's what cause the law suit dude at Mt. Hood to crash.View attachment 168857
These e-burnout marks were all over the rail trail yesterday.
All ruts shall be collapsible and not in crash-prone areas...and they shall be breakaway ruts..I bet that's what cause the law suit dude at Mt. Hood to crash.
If it even was you could create a small tax on their sales and put it toward state trail maintenance and developmentI don't see the trail damage as an issue personally..I've done downhill with tires that shred skin and destroyed trails... I think it's part of the deal with MTB.. Red herring..
yup, it ain't going to happen!Let's see some examples of convictions and sentences.
True, but if something happens the policy will be hauled out. If an ebike mows someone down where not allowed to be, then the policy will be cited forthwith.This was simply the FS's way to make it look like they're addressing a problem while in reality won't be doing anything about it. The FS LEO's don't have time for this, it's not really an issue to them. they are way too cash strapped and understaffed to go after people recreating on bikes with batteries.
When someone calls to check in on a report they had made about illegal E-bike use on public lands.....
"Hey, man, are you gonna find these guys? Or, you know, I mean... You got any promising leads or..." The Dude
"Leads? Yeah. Sure. I'll just check with the boys down at the crime lab. They got four more detectives working on the case. They got us working in shifts!" Young Police Officer
Ya, I could see that for sure. That's fair imo.True, but if something happens the policy will be hauled out. If an ebike mows someone down where not allowed to be, then the policy will be cited forthwith.
Same here. I like the excercise but not the full on burn of legs and lungs from allergies.Yeah, I experienced that too. It was fun.
But I’m one of those who enjoys the quad burn and searing lungs feeling on uphill climbs; that creates the endorphin rush at the end for me.
That wasn't caused by an e-bike. That was caused by an asshole, no matter what he/she was riding.View attachment 168857
These e-burnout marks were all over the rail trail yesterday.
Funny, I just saw a similer hole a the trail we ride and it make me think of @Erik Timmerman's post. I thought to myself, how could I create a rut like that? Even in turbo, all you are going to get is one half of a pedal stroke. His picture and what I saw was done with something with a throttle, not asomething with pedals.That wasn't caused by an e-bike. That was caused by an asshole, no matter what he/she was riding.
This was simply the FS's way to make it look like they're addressing a problem while in reality won't be doing anything about it. The FS LEO's don't have time for this, it's not really an issue to them. they are way too cash strapped and understaffed to go after people recreating on bikes with batteries.
Funny, I just saw a similar hole a the trail we ride and it make me think of @Erik Timmerman's post. I thought to myself, how could I create a rut like that? Even in turbo, all you are going to get is one half of a pedal stroke. His picture and what I saw was done with something with a throttle, not something with pedals.
I saw on a FB post someone said if they get a ticket he'll ask for 10 more so he can take care of it all at once.I for one I'm going to keep riding my e mountain bike.
Even if i get a ticket.
Wrong laws should not be obeyed.
Why are so many eBikers such entitled douchebags? Cool story bro, you bought an $8k toy and now you've got a sandy crotch because there are rules you don't like. The rules were there before you spent your $$$. WTF is wrong with you?That wasn't caused by an e-bike. That was caused by an asshole, no matter what he/she was riding.
Wow. Just wow. That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with. When @Philpug and I were out working on the one of the trails on Saturday we saw several riders. You know who was causing the most damage? The dudes who are skilled riders on analog bikes jamming on the brakes on switch backs and rutting out and knocking rocks loose on the trail we just cleaned up. The two ebikers we saw came down without any dust, rocks flying, or other damage.Why are so many eBikers such entitled douchebags?
I disagree. The USFS did not have opinion on ebikes, on paper, until recently. Ebikes have received different definitions across the board.I mean, you sound like a snowboarder that shows up at Alta and throws a hissy fit about being oppressed'. The rules are there, they were there. You can't pretend that you were blindsided by them.
The USFS has banned motorized vehicles for eons. Your ebike has a motor. It does. The bike retail industry and ebikers are working hard to rewrite the definition of 'motorized' but you don't get to pretend that your bike doesn't have a motor as originally defined by 'motorized vehicle'. You didn't get the rug pulled out from under you.