Vintage Ski Bindings modeled in state of the art solid modeling software

[RickyG]

Ha Ho Neighbors...You might have seen some of my single PDF art of ski binding from the past. Well there's a lot more where that came from. I retired from teaching CADD at Community College of Denver for 20 years and to keep my brain and my CADD skills sharp I decided to continue modeling vintage ski binding. I now have them up on my own YouTube channel at the following web address. I'm constantly doing more and looking for old binding systems to "disassemble" (that usually means they don't go back together well). Currently I'd love to find a Marker Telmat heel, a Moog, plastic Allsop...anyone have such things they would consider sell please contact me.

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[pchewn]

@RickyG Very nice. I really like the Marker Simplex toe and Rotomat heel. What CAD system was used? I'm a retired mechanical engineer who used Creo (Parametric Technologies), Solidworks (Desault), and Solidesigner (HP) . Wonderful project!

 

[RickyG]

Hi...I was trained in ProE (Creo) back at Lock Mart...taught if for a while at CCD. I use Fusion 360. Still like Inventor better but license etc. I've taught SolidWorks but honestly I like the AutoDesk products better.

thank you so much...

RickyG

 

[oldschoolskier]

What this shows is how inventive and fast development occurred without the use of CAD. See and love what CAD can do, but sometimes think it has slowed things down.

Love the breakdowns.

 

[skipress]

Ha Ho Neighbors...You might have seen some of my single PDF art of ski binding from the past. Well there's a lot more where that came from. I retired from teaching CADD at Community College of Denver for 20 years and to keep my brain and my CADD skills sharp I decided to continue modeling vintage ski binding. I now have them up on my own YouTube channel at the following web address. I'm constantly doing more and looking for old binding systems to "disassemble" (that usually means they don't go back together well). Currently I'd love to find a Marker Telmat heel, a Moog, plastic Allsop...anyone have such things they would consider sell please contact me.

HRG3Design

www.youtube.com

Love the site. Here's one for you...

https://www.pugski.com/threads/all-things-wulf.6002/

Wulf ski binding, but might be a nightmare to fine one.

 

[Doug Briggs]

I have a pair of Rossi STs that were my first touring skis with the Rotamat TR heel and M4-15 toes. They didn't work as well together as the TR did with the M3 did, but the M4 toe was beefier and more reliable.

The problem with the M4 toe in walk mode is that the lug of the boot would catch slightly on the wings.

 

[RickyG]

What this shows is how inventive and fast development occurred without the use of CAD. See and love what CAD can do, but sometimes think it has slowed things down.

Love the breakdowns.

What 3D solid modeling (not 2D CAD) really did that the management at Lock/Mart took a while to wrap their heads around is that the time to develop the total model of what ever (like the transporter trailer for the Atlas 3 first stage, or the launcher it's self) we could "see" all the size/interference issues. So the usual problem when 2D drawings got to manufacturing that time lost in ECN (engineering change notices) would drop dramatically. The CAD jocks got it closer to right the first time saving time/money on the final cost of manufacturing.
Oh...and thank you so much!
RickyG

 

[RickyG]

Love the site. Here's one for you...

https://www.pugski.com/threads/all-things-wulf.6002/

Wulf ski binding, but might be a nightmare to fine one.

As far as the Wulf Binding goes I'm not too sure about difficulty (other that finding a real one to measure) I've attached the Patent drawing I found and it's basically the same plunger spring unit used in a Gertsch/Besser/Americana but two of them pointed into the center and the release cam is a cylinder with the control insets built in. I've started "guessing" based on proportions and patent drawings (as much as I hate to) that is the way I'll have come up with my Marker M3S toe. I've attached the patent drawings I've found. I always thought the Wulf would have been weird to ski on being so high up off the ski.

 

[RickyG]

I have a pair of Rossi STs that were my first touring skis with the Rotamat TR heel and M4-15 toes. They didn't work as well together as the TR did with the M3 did, but the M4 toe was beefier and more reliable.

The problem with the M4 toe in walk mode is that the lug of the boot would catch slightly on the wings.

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Doug those pictures are a "god send" between the patent drawings I found of the M3 family of toe units and your pictures it's so much help when I step into the place where I do not have the real thing to reverse engineer. Thank you so much...please keep posting pictures. You wouldn't happen to have a Marker Telmat? Again thank you and keep sharing those pictures.
RickyG

 

[Bill Talbot]

Doug those pictures are a "god send" between the patent drawings I found of the M3 family of toe units and your pictures it's so much help when I step into the place where I do not have the real thing to reverse engineer. Thank you so much...please keep posting pictures. You wouldn't happen to have a Marker Telmat? Again thank you and keep sharing those pictures.
RickyG

Telmat pix posted here;

Forward Pressure Adjustment on 1970's Rotomat's

Hi, this version doesn't have any forward pressure reference marks on the Heel, that I can see. The Marker Toe used has the two ridges where it interfaces with the Boot Sole. I can't remember if you need to put "Notches" in the Boot Sole Toe or they just created themselves with use. Looks like...

www.pugski.com

I have the pictured Telemat if you need specific pictures let me know.

 

[Doug Briggs]

Doug those pictures are a "god send" between the patent drawings I found of the M3 family of toe units and your pictures it's so much help when I step into the place where I do not have the real thing to reverse engineer. Thank you so much...please keep posting pictures. You wouldn't happen to have a Marker Telmat? Again thank you and keep sharing those pictures.
RickyG

Sorry, no Telemat.

Your work is intriguing. The dynamic exploding view was quite appropriate for the 'explodamat' heel.

PM (about to be) sent.

 

[Bill Talbot]

Ricky,
You have overLOOKed the most important binding of all!
LOOK Nevada/Grand Prix

 

[Bill Talbot]

Oh, here's more Telmat pictures for you.

 

[RickyG]

Oh, here's more Telmat pictures for you.

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Bill...how much?

 

[RickyG]

Ricky,
You have overLOOKed the most important binding of all!
LOOK Nevada/Grand Prix

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I don't know about you all but removing a Look Nevada/Grand Prix from it's box and then trying to reassemble them the way they were is quite a little project...like a early Rubic's cube...everything has to go back just so.

 

[RickyG]

Everyone...I've done Look it's just LOST in the cloud. The next time AutoDesk tell me the "cloud" is safe I'll laugh out loud. This one and the metal Allsop need completely redone.

 

[Bill Talbot]

Bill...how much?

Sorry, not for sale. I have but the one set.
I can take whatever pictures you might want though.

 

[skipress]

As far as the Wulf Binding goes I'm not too sure about difficulty (other that finding a real one to measure) I've attached the Patent drawing I found and it's basically the same plunger spring unit used in a Gertsch/Besser/Americana but two of them pointed into the center and the release cam is a cylinder with the control insets built in. I've started "guessing" based on proportions and patent drawings (as much as I hate to) that is the way I'll have come up with my Marker M3S toe. I've attached the patent drawings I've found. I always thought the Wulf would have been weird to ski on being so high up off the ski.

Woooaaaa!!

Look at the patent.... the names on the patent.....

Salomon......

Oh so what is really odd is this...in this pugski tread Dave P shows and ad', and there is also a patent extract

https://www.pugski.com/threads/all-things-wulf.6002/#post-140435

And they are recogniseable as very very similar in design, a plate with a disk held by two Besser/Gertsch type barrels, but the patent drawings are slightly different.

So.... what on earth is going on? Did Salomon buy the Wulf patent and fluff it up ? I am pretty sure that i saw references to Wulf in 76 which predates the Salomnon patent...

 

[Joal]

Interesting LOOK had a pivoting plate in 1947 which must have evolved into the pivoting heel and also see the Beyl reference on the Salomon patent. Maybe Salomon wanted some sort of pivoting binding to compete with LOOK and as you say just fluffed up the WULF.

 

[skipress]

I remember way back when on a Salomon factory tour when they were delighted to show a brake designed for a look turntable heel. They'd designed and patented it to prevent Look doing it and were verrrrry proud of it. It's what left Look with years of horrible brakes; the forward pointing one, the revision with a cover than the really awful one that also had the AFD built into it which made to height terrible to adjust [all shown in Bill's pic above].

I guess Look felt a bit smug when the upper radius contact expired and Salomon had to explain why they'd spent years trashing it and then copying it in the 957.