What does proper fit of the boot cuff feel like?

[Tony S]

The fact it is not attached to the liner and is attached to the cuff on newer boots does not mean it is not an intrical part of liner. Probably the most successful racing boot has the strap on the liner and not the cuff. Theses photos of that boot show it is also on the liner.
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Okay Francois. What you are showing here from 30 years ago is not what anyone else on the thread is talking about.
Edit: It matters because for every active poster here there are dozens or hundreds of silent readers who are just going to get confused if you start talking about a strap on the liner.

 

[Uncle-A]

Okay Francois. What you are showing here from 30 years ago is not what anyone else on the thread is talking about.
Edit: It matters because for every active poster here there are dozens or hundreds of silent readers who are just going to get confused if you start talking about a strap on the liner.

I was only replying to your comment

The strap is not part of the liner.

that didn't have any time frame attached.

Sorry but I didn't get the "Francois" reference, do you care to clarify?

 

[Erik Timmerman]

FWIW _ I wear the Booster up high on just the tongue. Somehow it's pretty natural for it to go there. Buckles are quite loose, I'll buckle them one more click on race day or in cut up powder.

With students I think it depends on the skiers legs and the boots where it will work best. Sometimes it does need to go under the shell to take up some space I think.

 

[KingGrump]

Others might say that you don't need to put that much pressure on the front of the ski. It may have something to do with how you ski.

Right on the money.

 

[Rdputnam515]

Did you ever get the cuff’s aligned and the boots heat molded yet? Makes a big difference too and with my skinnier legs, I even added more thickness to the stock rear spoiler to get a bit more forward lean that I needed in my boots.

Not yet, still in my Cochise till year end. due to travel we will only have about 8 days left this season.

my wife had hers done and she is ecstatic about fit and flex

I can’t wait!

 

[Rdputnam515]

Booster strap inside the shell will give quicker and progressive response from the boot. Strap outside the shell is better for those that goes balls to the wall - racing.

I’ll have to try this out And see if I can feel the difference.

I think it would drive me nuts to have to think about switching the strap around

 

[KingGrump]

I think it would drive me nuts to have to think about switching the strap around

Simple. If you ski from the bottom of your feet, inside the cuff. If you like to crush the boot cuff, outside.

 

[James]

Probably the most successful racing boot…

A Raichle??
You been writing copy for Bode’s schilling of Full Tilt? Oh wait, he’s with Scarpa now. Whaddya got there?

 

[Uncle-A]

A Raichle??
You been writing copy for Bode’s schilling of Full Tilt? Oh wait, he’s with Scarpa now. Whaddya got there?

I guess he went with who was willing to pay him. Many of the best go to the highest bidder.

 

[cantunamunch]

A Raichle??

Have a choccy

I'm wondering if I can fashion something like a helmet google clip

Here is the Fischer clip design I referenced above.

 

[Average Joe]

Simple. If you ski from the bottom of your feet, inside the cuff. If you like to crush the boot cuff, outside.

It's not "simple."
I ski from the ball of the foot, and I run mine outside the shell. My daughter has the same boots, and likes hers inside the cuff.
There are no hard and fast rules for anything as variable as the leg to boot to ski to snow interaction.

 

[Seldomski]

The only way the booster strap pushes your leg back is if before the boot was too lose on top.
The forward lean angle is set by the spine of the boot.

You are right. I am trying to remember my thoughts when I tried this experiment of booster over shell and tongue vs over just the tongue and under the shell. I recall that with it under the shell, the booster didn't allow the shell to flex in a gradual manner. Instead, it locked up the cuff and the shell buckled all at once with enough pressure applied. The cuff near the ankle is where the shell buckled. With the booster over the tongue & shell (half on the shell, half on the tongue), the cuff hinged forward first then buckled later. I guess it allowed the liner and shell parts to slide a bit on each other. It seemed to me that the booster over the shell/tongue would behave more predictably. With booster under the shell, buckling of the lower shell did not always start in the same place and my shin would track in slightly different directions each time (not tracking directly forward, but often bowing in or out instead).

 

[dbostedo]

So, @Bill R ... with all this talk about straps, when you asked about cuffs, are you getting the info you want?

 

[KingGrump]

It's not "simple."
I ski from the ball of the foot, and I run mine outside the shell. My daughter has the same boots, and likes hers inside the cuff.
There are no hard and fast rules for anything as variable as the leg to boot to ski to snow interaction.

Of course it is simple. Don't like it inside (or outside), do it up the other way. Not exactly rocket surgery.

 

[Rdputnam515]

Simple. If you ski from the bottom of your feet, inside the cuff. If you like to crush the boot cuff, outside.

That explains it, usually all over the front of the cuff, I will have to try the other way

 

[Rod9301]

Of course it is simple. Don't like it inside (or outside), do it up the other way. Not exactly rocket surgery.

That's like saying, i ski in the back seat, so that's the way l should ski.

 

[EricG]

That's like saying, i ski in the back seat, so that's the way l should ski.

@KingGrump

Not really Rod. As grump noted there are 2 primary options. In or out. People should try both, determine which is better for each person and roll with it. both offer better ’feel’ than the usual Velcro straps. During the boot fit, the fitter may even suggest that ‘in’ is better based on the boot-liner-leg fit. I know some that go from in to out depending on the snow conditions.

this isn’t some radial tune. It’s a stretchy strap. In or out, to each their own. long live the SX boot.

 

[Rod9301]

@KingGrump

Not really Rod. As grump noted there are 2 primary options. In or out. People should try both, determine which is better for each person and roll with it. both offer better ’feel’ than the usual Velcro straps. During the boot fit, the fitter may even suggest that ‘in’ is better based on the boot-liner-leg fit. I know some that go from in to out depending on the snow conditions.

this isn’t some radial tune. It’s a stretchy strap. In or out, to each their own. long live the SX boot.

That's assuming that"people" are able to determine what's best for them.

Based on how most people ski, this is doubtful.

 

[James]

Oh god another Booster in/out thread. So boring. Just use it where it works. Except for Tony. He’s been scoffed at by PJ.

 

[Johnny V.]

Based on how most people ski, this is doubtful.

I would assume skiers using a Booster strap are not the typical "most people". I'll go along with the King of the Grumps-use it in or out or don't use one at all. Now back to the original discussion..............