This is the part I don't like about how this is executed. He has extended the inside leg quite a lot between these pictures, and since there is quite some snow spray it has been done with significant pressure.
I kind of suspect his main aim later in the turn used for the images was not to whack the cameraman.This is the part I don't like about how this is executed. He has extended the inside leg quite a lot between these pictures, and since there is quite some snow spray it has been done with significant pressure.
Nothing wrong per se with this, but I think one of the purposes of this drill is to balance on the outside towards the end of the turn.
I think he is cheating a bit to make it look like more performance.
I like extremely low speed ones on fairly flat terrain as a warm up. It really forces you to be patient and punishes imprecise movements that you can gloss over when doing them at speed.Yeah mainly Josh, but there's a few shots of Harry Mcfadden in there too (Head skis).
Agree with these guys that white pass turns are great for inclining in a high performance turn. Low speed ones don't really make sense to me.
That saved my adz once; it was a very memorable moment, seared into my memory by mega amounts of adrenaline."What Purpose(s) do(es) a White Pass Turn Serve?"
There will be times when we're thrown out of normal balance. Being able to ski on that inside ski's outside edge may prevent a butt plant.
Here's the thing. When I do WPs it enhances that feeling of being shot across the hill towards the next turn. Could claim that just shows is my 'normal' turns suck - but isn't the purpose of a drill to enhance our 'normal' skiing? Lose the drill, keep the skill.I think the main difference I see between the Mahres performing a WPT compared to most instructors and demonstrators is that the Mahres can time their delayed transfer very effectively so that the engagement of the new outside ski accelerates and shoots them right into the next turn.
Did the Mahre brothers equate one of those three basic racing steps described above with the White Pass Turn? Did they think of it as a step turn?....“Novice racers use very little stepping from turn to turn, but will realize that a step is very helpful, especially when running gates...
"....the Mahres view a WPT as the most advanced short radius turn transition from a progression of stepping-to-transfer (weight/pressure) techniques. The WPT has the latest/longest delay of transfer from one ski to the other in transition.
“There are three basic racing steps. 1. Inside to outside. (Inside edge of old outside ski to outside edge of new outside ski) This step helps you maintain your height while traversing the hill...
“The second basic step is inside —> flat. This step enables you to quickly start a new turn...
”The third basic step is inside —> inside, stepping from the inside edge of the turning ski to the inside edge of the new ski, this immediately starts the new turn...
”The WPT is used in a steep course down the fall line. You literally fall into the new turn. In the right situation, this is the fastest way down the course.”....
Ooh, transfer to youtube?So, I dug out an old VHS tape of a Mahre recreational training camp from the 80’s, where they include WPTs as part of the clinic.
Depends what they are being used for.WP turns can be done slowly. I don’t get this high performance only thing.
Patience in angulating. Angulating too quickly at the top of the turn restores balance and prevents us toppling further into the new turn.This is why I say not sure about that “patience” outcome of WP turns.
At that time racers (&instructors) did step turns. Stenmark was the master of the “diverging step turn” & the Mahre‘s were master of the “converging step turn”. I think the White Pass turn was a result of converging step turns.Did the Mahre brothers equate one of those three basic racing steps described above with the White Pass Turn? Did they think of it as a step turn?
I agree. Any drill could & should be adapted for the audience to whatever intensity or speed that will produce positive, tangible results.WP turns can be done slowly. I don’t get this high performance only thing.
So what is the skier issue that would lead you to getting them to do that slower speed version? What skill are you intending to develop? What is the desired outcome in normal skiing?Here are a couple of examples of a shorter, converging variation sometimes called Hangers...