No. But I don’t know there’s anything in a Royal Christie where you have to push off. Seems more of a beginner one, or something more on the flats for style and it’s easier.He does skate off of the inside edge before transitioning to the new outside edge.
Does anyone see that in her video?
Usually not too much. There's almost never any real need to have your upper body perfectly vertical in the turn, it's just too much effort for too little return.
at that point your grip is mostly determined by how strong your counter is, not so much your angulation
Well that’s what I’m curious about. If you’re not inside the turn, what’s there to counterbalance? What do these people with excessive early angulation look like?
Yeah but that’s well into the turn. It’s the early part that we’re talking, and transition. One could fumble around and then get there late. I.e., the impatient.
Comments by Gellie et al are interesting on relearning the timing, after being off snow (what for 2months??), about getting inside the turn. But, this is like wcup racers “relearning” timing in racing. They still would beat most in the world. It’s not like people who’ve never really gotten it.
They look like hip dumpers.
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I really like that!If you use it as a release, the weighted release or as I sometimes call it, the late release
A question: how much strength do you find you need to do those hip on snow turns? Do you regularly squat a few hundred pounds weight?
For clarity... What point in the turn we talking about? What counter - ca or cb? (Not used to that terminology. Generally thinking in terms labeled separation and angulation.)
Not much actually. There's really only one point in the turn where I'm ever actually using physical effort, and that would be at the moment of pressure at the apex of the turn. I've never actually been all that strong, my peak physical condition was probably during highschool where I could do maybe 5x5 of 200lb, though pretty much all of my exercising was done through motor/bicycling and swimming, not so much weightlifting. As of now I'm horribly out of shape and could maybe do 3-4 days max of hard skiing before having too much lower back pain and having to take a day or two off to recuperate. Though that's only going to get worse with time, so I should probably start getting into proper shape.
Counter = ca = separation, cb = angulation. Counter should be held as early as possible, for as long as possible, as hard as possible. It's one of the most important movements in the turn, and your technique will fall apart without it. Angulation I apply more freely, as it's rare that I'll actually need to use excessive amounts of it, but it's still useful for balance
Surely if we counter beyond a certain amount we'll reach the 'stop' in the hip socket and the femur will start to counter rotate, eventually flattening the outside ski?
I can see the point for handling compressions or surviving wipe-outs at GS, SuperG or DH speeds. Not so convinced of that for rec skiing.
Angulation is useful for the edge to be under the combined force on the com, so you don't slide out ona icy turnNot much actually. There's really only one point in the turn where I'm ever actually using physical effort, and that would be at the moment of pressure at the apex of the turn. I've never actually been all that strong, my peak physical condition was probably during highschool where I could do maybe 5x5 of 200lb, though pretty much all of my exercising was done through motor/bicycling and swimming, not so much weightlifting. As of now I'm horribly out of shape and could maybe do 3-4 days max of hard skiing before having too much lower back pain and having to take a day or two off to recuperate. Though that's only going to get worse with time, so I should probably start getting into proper shape.
Counter = ca = separation, cb = angulation. Counter should be held as early as possible, for as long as possible, as hard as possible. It's one of the most important movements in the turn, and your technique will fall apart without it. Angulation I apply more freely, as it's rare that I'll actually need to use excessive amounts of it, but it's still useful for balance
,Because the brain will always make you think you're doing more than you actually are. Purposefully skiing at the maximum of your range of motion will train your body to be more comfortable at the positions you would normally hold in the turn. But yes, when my lower back hurts (which it always does) it's solely because of how much counter I use, or at least try to use in my turns. The femur shouldn't be rotating with the hip. What I do for to focus this for stretching is to shuffle my skis and face my hip down the hill, then bring them together while trying to keep my hip pointing in the same direction.
It hurts. A lot.
It's mostly a consequence of what kind of skiing you're trying to do. performance skiing/racing/moguls will require you be in shape, or will bend you into shape. Where normal req skiing is much more lax in that regard. So while my turns don't require too much effort per turn, I still do a lot in a run, and then the next, and so on.
I think many technical skiers would disagree with you. For example this one:Not much actually. There's really only one point in the turn where I'm ever actually using physical effort, and that would be at the moment of pressure at the apex of the turn. I've never actually been all that strong, my peak physical condition was probably during highschool where I could do maybe 5x5 of 200lb, though pretty much all of my exercising was done through motor/bicycling and swimming, not so much weightlifting. As of now I'm horribly out of shape and could maybe do 3-4 days max of hard skiing before having too much lower back pain and having to take a day or two off to recuperate. Though that's only going to get worse with time, so I should probably start getting into proper shape.
Counter = ca = separation, cb = angulation. Counter should be held as early as possible, for as long as possible, as hard as possible. It's one of the most important movements in the turn, and your technique will fall apart without it. Angulation I apply more freely, as it's rare that I'll actually need to use excessive amounts of it, but it's still useful for balance
I think many technical skiers would disagree with you. For example this one:
Because the brain will always make you think you're doing more than you actually are. Purposefully skiing at the maximum of your range of motion will train your body to be more comfortable at the positions you would normally hold in the turn.
It hurts. A lot.
normal req skiing
Geepers, if you're getting back pain
I wonder if white pass turns could also be useful for reducing excessive counter - but haven’t played around with that yet
Really?Takao follows the Japanese/Korean school of skiing, which has a much lower emphasis on upper body separation than more race focused schools, such as Austrian. Of course he would agree that counter is a very important part of the turn, but would disagree with how much emphasis I put on it. That comes down to a difference in ideology and what the end goal is for their skiing. I think there's either a projected productions movie or a Reilly video that explains what the Japanese look for in a performance turn. They look for stability at speed, with consistency and comfortability. Racing ideology focuses on how to bend a ski the most in the shortest amount of time and distance, with the minimal amount of effort required. The more you want to bend a ski and sharpen up a turn, the more counter is going to become a very large mainstay in your technical model.