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Comments about the 2nd run being a straighter set and that MS didn't ski it direct enough at the gates. Her skiing can be so smooth at times that it belies her actual aggression in a run. So what killed her 2nd run today? Was it the line alone?
Smooth as silk & deceptively fast 1st run, 2nd run not so much right from the start.
I am in no position to even speculate but I think that there is more going on than meets the eye.

Did anyone else think that the surface was extremely slick & icy in the 1st run for the first few racers & then became gripier (new word) for the rest of the day?
 
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Pretty close in SG, Gisin was actually 8th at St. Anton. At Val D’Isere, in the SG, Vhlova was 6th, and Gisin, 9th. 40 and 29 points.

Could be a very interesting "race" right through WCF's if the both stay healthy. Which we hope they will. I think Gisin would be an upset, but I hope she makes it close!

Vhlova currently has a 115 point lead, after today. Schedule, before WCF's has 4 DH, 4 SG, 3 GS, 3 SL.....I think. Men have a few less, again, I think. Have not dug into it. Will.
Comparing the overall standings for men and women this season, you can see that more women in the top 10 earn points in all disciplines: Vlhova, Bassino, Brignone have scored in all 5. Gisin has scored in the main 4 but not in parallel. Goggia and Gut-Behrami have scored in 4, missing slalom. Holdener has scored in 4, missing downhill. So that's 7 out of 10 women scoring points in at least 4 disciplines.

On the men's side, things are more siloed. Nobody in the top 10 has scored in all 5 disciplines. Pinturault and Kilde have scored in 4. After that we have 6 guys who have scored in 3 disciplines. All of Foss-Solevaag's points come from slalom; the first super-specialist like that on the women's side is Laurence St. Germain, who's 25 in the overall.
 

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Re-watched the GS and I would say that MS skied the 2nd run "pretty" while Marta skied it "fast". Looked like it was about 95% due to the line. Marta bashed through most every gate, while Mikaela skied around most of the gates.
 

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KG GS#1 Run 2. 4 skiers, same start instance. Shiffrin and Robinson play swaps - Robinson ended a few hundredths ahead of MS - whilst Ballino skis off into the distance. Vhola in between.

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Brignone looked very fast in the second run till she skied out.
What was up with Alice Robinson hitting that last gate with her hip and crashing?
 

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Brignone looked very fast in the second run till she skied out.
What was up with Alice Robinson hitting that last gate with her hip and crashing?

Brignone didn't pull off the hip slide recovery this time. So that's what, 2 out of 3 where she did?

For Alice, don't get late... ever.
 

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Out for the season. Bad, bad crash DH training at Crans Montana. No head trauma, etc. ALL her knee.

Torn ACL, MCL, meniscus and patellar tendon. This is going to be extensive surgery and rehab. Wishing her the best.

Spoke to a recent WC coach last night. Far too many injuries. Way too may. It’s January 20th. We were talking about the WC globes, with the caveat for every contender...”If they stay healthy and avoid injury.”

No fun to watch this part of sport. No data, just seems like a lot of injuries.
 

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Out for the season. Bad, bad crash DH training at Crans Montana. No head trauma, etc. ALL her knee.

Torn ACL, MCL, meniscus and patellar tendon. This is going to be extensive surgery and rehab. Wishing her the best.

Spoke to a recent WC coach last night. Far too many injuries. Way too may. It’s January 20th. We were talking about the WC globes, with the caveat for every contender...”If they stay healthy and avoid injury.”

No fun to watch this part of sport. No data, just seems like a lot of injuries.
ugh.
 

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Terrible news @Muleski Lots of talk about injuries over here too. Don't have any numbers (someone does) but must be up...
 

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Terrible news @Muleski Lots of talk about injuries over here too. Don't have any numbers (someone does) but must be up...
I'm not going to look for it right now, but last week somebody wrote that there were more injuries this year than average (over the last 10-20 years, can't remember), but not by a statistically significant margin. No, I didn't review the data or redo the statistical analysis.

Would think that the number of injuries this year would be expected to be higher, given reduced training volume and, for most, much shorter prep periods ...
 

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It's a dangerous sport, but even so....it does seem like a lot. We probably say that every year. Hope to hear of less moving forward.

I was talking to a friend who was watching a FIS DH, then a SG the past few days. Quite a few skiing out, and a handful of crashes in the finish corral. This is a veteran coach, PD, and former very high level racer {speed skier} and a parent. His comment tome was that he just has a hunch that the finish corral crashes might have to do with the incredibly sharp, precise "machine tuned" skis these days. Had not thought about that. Of course that would, IMO, not be a factor on the WC. While every kid at this domestic race likely has a tech doing their skis, and has probably grown up with a Snowglide or Trione in the hands of their coach, it's still newer than it has been on the WC. I dunno.....just thought it was an interesting thought.
 

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It's a dangerous sport, but even so....it does seem like a lot. We probably say that every year. Hope to hear of less moving forward.

I was talking to a friend who was watching a FIS DH, then a SG the past few days. Quite a few skiing out, and a handful of crashes in the finish corral. This is a veteran coach, PD, and former very high level racer {speed skier} and a parent. His comment tome was that he just has a hunch that the finish corral crashes might have to do with the incredibly sharp, precise "machine tuned" skis these days. Had not thought about that. Of course that would, IMO, not be a factor on the WC. While every kid at this domestic race likely has a tech doing their skis, and has probably grown up with a Snowglide or Trione in the hands of their coach, it's still newer than it has been on the WC. I dunno.....just thought it was an interesting thought.
I thought most had gone away from machining edges on speed skis?
 

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I thought most had gone away from machining edges on speed skis?

Probably wasn't too clear. I think that's very true on the WC, and EC. I was talking about things like decent level domestic FIS speed races. Some of these kids are part of clubs where it seems like every kid is paying for the tech service...which can, as you know, be very costly. And "depending"...on the calendar, the travel, the numbers, I believe that a lot is machine tuned and not so much massaged by hand with stones, etc. That's where we were talking about some crashes where the kids looked like they were "bitten" by the snow!

WC...yeah, from all that I see and hear, a lot of hand work. A tremendous amount of care. As it was pointed out to me, those skis are lovingly nurtured for seasons. And it's not like on race weekend, a tech is dealing with 50 pairs of speed skis, which a club tech actually could be.

It's sure different than it was 15 years ago. A coach buddy jokes that some of his athletes, some really good ones, "have never even seen the base of their skis!" That one always cracks me up.

We bought our first Trione about 13-14 years ago and I was amazed at how quickly and how well my kids could tune a LOT of skis. Like a whole college team's tech skis....the actual stoning and such...up to the athletes. A lot didn't bother. Then again, this was not speed, and normally on pretty hard surfaces.
 
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I want to see Gisin bring back some speed magic from a few years ago and take the overall lead.

Has not had good training results, and did not do so well last year (the only other time she's skied DH at Crans Montana), but was 4th in a SG in 2018. So .. maybe?

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Was definitely a sprint DH, a bit of a disappointment for both viewers and athletes.

Good race, tho, given the limitations.
 
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