Want To Buy WTB: Mogul/bump/freestyle skis (used)

[CS2-6]

Come on... you know mogul skiing is just soooo 90s. Everybody is either into gettin' GNAR-POW or that Ski Ballet you park rats are doing these days, with your greasy noses and poppin' air. I can help you out: just give me those horribly uncool skinny straight things you've got collecting dust in the closet; I'll even give you cash in return.

This would be a second ski in my quiver for me, so I'm looking for really cheap (not charity, but nearly). Would pick up if in TX, New Mexico, or Colorado.

Looking for something on the softer side of the mogul ski spectrum, something like the Dynastar Twisters, 4FRNT Originators, or K2 244/Mambas. But I'd consider something in the medium range of stiffness (like the Hart F-17s).

168-178cm in length. Don't have to have bindings included.

 

[CS2-6]

Don't make me buy these antiques...

 

[CS2-6]

Anybody know how stiff/soft Hart F17 Strikers are? They are a little (77mm) wider in order to be "more versatile", so I'm wondering if they're also more flexible than the classics.

 

[Dwight]

https://www.idoneusa.com/ is the true mogul ski now.

 

[LiquidFeet]

That website suffers a bit from translation woes.
For instance, of one of their models SRNSX (Slow Ride Nature Soft Cross) (I wondered what "Slow Ride" meant so I took a look) it says:

With the Soft Flex NSX, carving depends largely on the skis light weight and by eliminating unnecessary gripping of the snow surface, they come smoothly out of the turn.

The SRNSX is great for smooth gliding, as well as carving and suitable for any technique.

In addition, these all mountain adult skis are suitable for any surface - from deep snow powder, chop, crud and flats.

 

[Philpug]

Anybody know how stiff/soft Hart F17 Strikers are? They are a little (77mm) wider in order to be "more versatile", so I'm wondering if they're also more flexible than the classics.

The Striker is not a mogul ski but an all mountain ski, it is the same ski as the Blossom White Out.

 

[Wendy]

That website suffers a bit from translation woes.
For instance, of one of their models SRNSX (Slow Ride Nature Soft Cross) (I wondered what "Slow Ride" meant so I took a look) it says:

With the Soft Flex NSX, carving depends largely on the skis light weight and by eliminating unnecessary gripping of the snow surface, they come smoothly out of the turn.

The SRNSX is great for smooth gliding, as well as carving and suitable for any technique.

In addition, these all mountain adult skis are suitable for any surface - from deep snow powder, chop, crud and flats.

I have a pair of ID Ones (FRXP), and they are AWESOME. Beautifully made. Fun, poppy, versatile. They have a US rep in SLC who I bought from. The FRXP would be a great all-mountain mogul ski. But I agree that the website suffers from serious translation issues. That’s where the rep came in handy.

 

[CS2-6]

https://www.idoneusa.com/

IDOnes are incredibly rad I presume, and arguably the best option for professional bumpers. But I also presume they're far on the stiffer side of the spectrum (like the Volkl Wall Moguls and F-17 WCs). I need something significantly softer (Twisters, 244s, etc).

The Striker is not a mogul ski but an all mountain ski, it is the same ski as the Blossom White Out.

Ah, thanks for the info Phil! Always coming through with the knowledge.

I'm betting it's stiffer than what I'm looking for, and the turning radius look too short.

 

[Wendy]

IDOnes are incredibly rad I presume, and arguably the best option for professional bumpers. But I also presume they're far on the stiffer side of the spectrum (like the Volkl Wall Moguls and F-17 WCs). I need something significantly softer (Twisters, 244s, etc).

Ah, thanks for the info Phil! Always coming through with the knowledge.

I'm betting it's stiffer than what I'm looking for, and the turning radius look too short.

The IDOne FRXP is NOT stiff at all! It is a relatively soft ski. It just has a lot of pop, so will gain lots of air off kickers. Which is what a bump skier would want, I
presume. They are no stiffer than a K2 244, just with way better edge grip (vertical sidewalls) and a tad more sidecut. They are 78 underfoot, so not a mogul ski, but a ski that’s good in moguls. IDOne makes skis with varying stiffnesses....they do sell mogul skis with segmented edges that allow for a softer flex. They sell a “beginner’s Bump ski.” They make a lot more than competition-style mogul skis.

 

[Wendy]

@CS2-6 .....suburbanskiandbike.com, a shop based out of CT, has the 244 in a 173 for $400. They have great service and will do free binding mounts and shipping.

 

[CS2-6]

The search continues....

Anybody know anything about these older K2 Mambas?

 

[CS2-6]

After a little searching, it looks like the bindings are from the 80s, I still couldn't find much on the skis though. Anybody (@Philpug @jack97 @cosmoliu @geepers @tball @James ) recognize these things?

 

[tball]

Sorry, I don't remember anyone on Mambas. Looks like 90's, though, with the "cap" construction, graphics, and M48's, but I'm not up on ski history as much as others.

The problem with used bump skis is you don't know if they have any life left in them. Those look good cosmetically, but they could be beat internally and not have any rebound or camber. Lots of foam core skis with short lives back then.

Did you see my post earlier today about the cheap Navigator 80? It's not a bump ski, but would be a safe option for an inexpensive ski that should do great in the bumps for you:
https://www.pugski.com/threads/intermediate-mogul-all-mtn-ski-examples.9559/page-2#post-278666

 

[Eric267]

Came across these the other day on Tahoe craigslist. Look to be the 2013 model and well taken care of. The 16 din bindings alone are worth a decent bit of scratch. Seems like it may be what your looking for..
https://reno.craigslist.org/spo/d/volkl-wall-mogul-skis-175/6733272643.html

 

[jack97]

I wouldn't go near those mambas for the reason mentioned, no life left in the ski. In addition, no ski shop will touch those bindings they are too old.

Forerunner finally got their web site back up, might want to consider renting.

http://www.forerunnerskishop.com/2018-mogul-ski-demos/

 

[Philpug]

After a little searching, it looks like the bindings are from the 80s, I still couldn't find much on the skis though. Anybody (@Philpug @jack97 @cosmoliu @geepers @tball @James ) recognize these things?

Those will be really cool..hanging on a wall or as a shotzski...as far as on the snow? not so much.

 

[SSSdave]

Interesting how few used mogul ski are available even on ebay. Since there are so few new models available and what is there are pricy with only with special direct online ordering, I'll speculate those like this person that still ski bumps seriously at least some of the time, are holding onto their skis if they ski well on them because they are not likely to find replacements and in any case, most of us don't trust how well skis marketed as mogul skis will actually perform unless they have some solid model history. My own Twisters have to be getting softer and that will tend make me wonder on any firm snow days. But at least for now in the softer packed powder snow conditions I most ski them on at 8k>10k, I am able to work them fine.

 

[Philpug]

Came across these the other day on Tahoe craigslist. Look to be the 2013 model and well taken care of. The 16 din bindings alone are worth a decent bit of scratch. Seems like it may be what your looking for..
https://reno.craigslist.org/spo/d/volkl-wall-mogul-skis-175/6733272643.html

These are very good deal and one of the better moul skis out there.

 

[jack97]

Interesting how few used mogul ski are available even on ebay. Since there are so few new models available and what is there are pricy with only with special direct online ordering, I'll speculate those like this person that still ski bumps seriously at least some of the time, are holding onto their skis if they ski well on them because they are not likely to find replacements and in any case, most of us don't trust how well skis marketed as mogul skis will actually perform unless they have some solid model history. My own Twisters have to be getting softer and that will tend make me wonder on any firm snow days. But at least for now in the softer packed powder snow conditions I most ski them on at 8k>10k, I am able to work them fine.

Right now and unfortunately for the OP, the Twister market is bare . I think Dynastar or the re sellers has cutback its quantities. That said, when a deal is good it my be worth a risk. I took risk on some on the Elan Bloodlines and found it was a great ski on firm, hard pack bumps. But back to a good deal others, this might a good for those who don't have a weight problem.....

https://hartskis.com/clearance-skis

 

[CS2-6]

used bump skis is you don't know if they have any life left in them. Those look good cosmetically, but they could be beat internally and not have any rebound or camber

no life left in the ski

hanging on a wall or as a shotzski

Too good to be true I guess...

Navigator 80?

Thanks! I hadn't seen that thread, but I'll definitely check them out.

Seems like it may be what your looking for

These

Thanks for the heads up. I've demoed two sets of mogul skis in my life: Volkl Wall Mogul and 4FRNT Originator. The Volkls beat the living tar outta me. The Originators felt great, even though they were too long for me (181cm).

Forerunner

Finally! I'd been checking that site two to three times a week until I went out of town a few days ago.

Twisters.

I am jealous. I'm lusting for a set of Twisters, 244s, or Originators.

But back to a good deal

Holy cow those are cheap!! Jack, I know you previously recommended the softer skis or me (Twisters, 244s, Originators). Do you (or anyone else for that matter; @thomas I think you were looking into getting some earlier this year) have an idea about whether the Hart Boss would be good for me (I'm pretty light, 5'11", 160lbs), or would they be too stiff?