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Hi Folks,
OK, let's hear it, Cabrio vs Overlap.
Specifically, what are the pros and cons of a boot like the Dalbello Lupo or Full Tilt Descendent vs. something like the Atomic Hawk Prime (I'm a wide foot guy) or the Lange RX 130? (or any other equivalent boots).
For those who are interested, here is the motivation for this question. I have new this season 130 Atomic Hawx Prime boots. They fit well; my toes just just touch the front of the boot when standing up straight, and then pull back slightly as I flex the boot. There is no sloppiness, especially with my custom foot beds. The whole boot fits like the proverbial firm handshake, except for a small hotspot over the instep that has largely dissappeared. So what's the problem? The stock Mimic liners feel stiff off the top, but they have a discernable "flex point" or "collapse point" in the middle of the travel. I flex forward, they feel supportive, and then I reach a point where the liner folds, I can feel the bottom edge of the hard plastic stiffener on the tongue digging into my instep, and the support disappears. This was greatly improved when I substituted older Palau overlap liners into the boots; with these simple foam overlap liners, the boot flex feel much more progressive, predictable, and consistent from beginning to end. That lead me to start thinking about progressive boot flex, and that lead me to consider Cabrio boots like the Dalbello and Full Tilt.
Also, with the stock liners, these boots are ridiculously difficult to get on and take off! I'm no stranger to boot wrangling, but as I jam and twist my foot down, I have to pull the tongue nearly completely out of the boot, it gets tangled in the plastic shell, the buckles get all crossed, and I'm honestly afraid of cutting my fingers as I try to push/pull the tongue back inside. I'm an athletic guy, and it still feels like an intense core exercise. Is this the price to pay for firm boots that fit well? There has to be a better way.
Thoughts?
OK, let's hear it, Cabrio vs Overlap.
Specifically, what are the pros and cons of a boot like the Dalbello Lupo or Full Tilt Descendent vs. something like the Atomic Hawk Prime (I'm a wide foot guy) or the Lange RX 130? (or any other equivalent boots).
- Do Cabrio boots, as a general category, really have a more progressive and consistent forward flex?
- Do Cabrio boots have enough lateral support?
- All the young folks on big rockered skis and in the freestyle park seem to love Cabrio boots; how do these boots work for the alternate uses like carving?
- Are Cabrio boots really easier to get into/out of?
For those who are interested, here is the motivation for this question. I have new this season 130 Atomic Hawx Prime boots. They fit well; my toes just just touch the front of the boot when standing up straight, and then pull back slightly as I flex the boot. There is no sloppiness, especially with my custom foot beds. The whole boot fits like the proverbial firm handshake, except for a small hotspot over the instep that has largely dissappeared. So what's the problem? The stock Mimic liners feel stiff off the top, but they have a discernable "flex point" or "collapse point" in the middle of the travel. I flex forward, they feel supportive, and then I reach a point where the liner folds, I can feel the bottom edge of the hard plastic stiffener on the tongue digging into my instep, and the support disappears. This was greatly improved when I substituted older Palau overlap liners into the boots; with these simple foam overlap liners, the boot flex feel much more progressive, predictable, and consistent from beginning to end. That lead me to start thinking about progressive boot flex, and that lead me to consider Cabrio boots like the Dalbello and Full Tilt.
Also, with the stock liners, these boots are ridiculously difficult to get on and take off! I'm no stranger to boot wrangling, but as I jam and twist my foot down, I have to pull the tongue nearly completely out of the boot, it gets tangled in the plastic shell, the buckles get all crossed, and I'm honestly afraid of cutting my fingers as I try to push/pull the tongue back inside. I'm an athletic guy, and it still feels like an intense core exercise. Is this the price to pay for firm boots that fit well? There has to be a better way.
Thoughts?