Waxing on the snow

[James]

Secret" ???... NOPE... That doesn't fly nowadays.

Why?
What’s in Phantom?

What’s in FTX? Oh wait, nothing.

 

[Yo Momma]

Why?
What’s in Phantom?

What’s in FTX? Oh wait, nothing.

Hey.... I'm a Vermonter now! I demand honesty as a consumer and support w/ $$$ companies who are up front and open about their products. Zardoz tells us whats in their product (This patent protected, 100% pure liquid fluoro formula, unlocks maximum performance from fluoropolymer technology)... not saying that's safe but at least I know they are making an attempt to keep the consumer informed.

Ha ha ... okay to the locals I'm still a "FlatLander" but I can pretend and wear my "Green" Poser badge w/ pride like Russ who's from NJ! ...yeah..... I compost everything mixed w/ organic cow manure!... Doesn't everyone??? Mix in a little rock phosphate, green sand and chicken manure and we've got a REAL VT dirt party! LMAO

 

[cantunamunch]

so anyone skied with Gigaglide yet?

Strictly speaking, yes. In some ways, no. I am still figuring Gigaglide Pro out.

I really like the dispenser sponge and valve.

It will not go onto a base that has been prepped with anything fluoro. Don't even bother.

I tried to use it as a wax of the day on a base that was freshly ground and prepped with Wintersteiger SLIK. It went on and I skied it. The skis felt pretty much like any other freshly ground base in spring conditions: slow at lift maze speeds, grabby when crossing wet or sunny patches. All probably due to fresh grind, but Gigaglide Pro is not a magic bullet fix for high-moisture snow.

I tried to use it as a replenishment for well-run-in bases originally waxed with CH7 ~5 ski days ago and bronze brushed. It went on fine. But I will never again do that on a high-humidity day: the bases were grabby on the flat, completely unskateable. They were skiable on slope and got significantly faster after ~2000 vertical feet. Maybe they needed after-treatment polishing?


The next set of trials will be on XC skis as the only treatment after base cleaning, in -5C to 5C conditions.

 

[Lilledonmarco]

Probably. My best success with that process has been in CH6 changing into LF7-LF8 conditions.

Tested this

Worked GREAT on my other skis.

Great tip

 

[Teumie]

So I applied some the other day.
Leaving for Swiss tomorrow morning. Monday is snow storm forecast so hopefully I can still try it on Monday...

Appears I found one of the few places in france with plenty snow left haha

 

[Teumie]

I skied 6 days on single application of GigaGlide.
Variety of conditions from too much pow to ultragroomed morning slopes.

I probably should have re-applied after 4 or 5 days but I couldn't be bothered.
Day 6 still seemed fine but I somehow think I was less "glidey" than day 2, hard to be sure thou (it could be I was getting more used to glide/speed, who knows).

Really easy to apply and really happy with it.
If you are a die-hard waxer it probably isn't as good, but for all normal people this will do just nice.

I have not tried just waxing in the morning/at the bottom and ski it straight away, coming to think of it I should have tried that as well.
ah well, next time

 

[Zirbl]

I skied 6 days on single application of GigaGlide.
Variety of conditions from too much pow to ultragroomed morning slopes.

I probably should have re-applied after 4 or 5 days but I couldn't be bothered.
Day 6 still seemed fine but I somehow think I was less "glidey" than day 2, hard to be sure thou (it could be I was getting more used to glide/speed, who knows).

Really easy to apply and really happy with it.
If you are a die-hard waxer it probably isn't as good, but for all normal people this will do just nice.

I have not tried just waxing in the morning/at the bottom and ski it straight away, coming to think of it I should have tried that as well.
ah well, next time

No hard pack?

 

[Teumie]

No hard pack?

not sure what you mean by hard pack?
you mean groomed slopes? in that case yes

 

[Zirbl]

not sure what you mean by hard pack?
you mean groomed slopes? in that case yes

Hard, compact groomed slopes. Sort of thing you can't stand a pole in.

 

[Jacques]

No iron, no problem. I have been testing Dominator's Elite, and FFC paste waxes, and I can say they truly kick some serious "A"!
No gimmick, these are real waxes. @Zirbl
They will last 4 to 6 hours of actual ski time, easy. I've gone as far as 8 hours, and bases still looked killer.

 

[Jacques]

No iron, no problem. I have been testing Dominator's Elite, and FFC paste waxes, and I can say they truly kick some serious "A"!
No gimmick, these are real waxes. @Zirbl
They will last 4 to 6 hours of actual ski time, easy. I've gone as far as 8 hours, and bases still looked killer.

@James Have you done any testing of these paste waxes? If so, what say you.

 

[James]

@James Have you done any testing of these paste waxes? If so, what say you.

No, none.
I would like to try that Dominator stuff.
Last paste wax I used was Swix F4

 

[Jacques]

No, none.
I would like to try that Dominator stuff.
Last paste wax I used was Swix F4

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I imagine they are similar. I like how Dominator's have antistatic built into all theirs.

 

[cantunamunch]

I imagine they are similar. I like how Dominator's have antistatic built into all theirs.

I hope Dominator is far better. F4 was horrible at sub-10F temps and only meh on wet snow.

 

[James]

I hope Dominator is far better. F4 was horrible at sub-10F temps and only meh on wet snow.

Is any rub on, spray on, good below 10F?

 

[cantunamunch]

Is any rub on, spray on, good below 10F?

Holmenkol had some nanos that were - not sure since the fluoro ban.
Maplus/Briko had some that were much better - I still have 6 bottles.
Swix Blue spray is meh but better than F4.

 

[cantunamunch]

Oh and...Vola have some but they are noxious AF and shouldn't be applied ...like anywhere but most especially indoors or near anything heated.

 

[Zirbl]

Thanks a bunch @Jacques , I'll look into it.

 

[Jacques]

I hope Dominator is far better. F4 was horrible at sub-10F temps and only meh on wet snow.

Yea, that's a "universal" paste, if I am not mistaken. This Dominator paste is the bomb!
The Psyco paste is for 7 F and below!!!

 

[Jacques]

Thanks a bunch @Jacques , I'll look into it.

I am producing my video now. It's a long one, but to understand it all, one must LISTEN to the whole thing.
I will make a new post here soon.