Altering ski behavior through tuning?

[cantunamunch]

. Very repetitive as I recall.

Mood setters* and mantras tend to be like that.

*at some point we need to explore the connection between expectation control and mood setting.

Just having a nice chat.

Bonus points for TGR sticker. Talk about expectation control.

 

[Philpug]

I am a full believer in setting someone up for success. Putting a low intermdiate on a FIS SL, no matter what the tune is, goes against that Phil-osophy.

 

[James]

Mood setters* and mantras tend to be like that.

at some point we need to explore the connection between expectation control and mood setting.

Yep, the person setting up for the slalom skis needs to manage the candles, incense, and breathing. While making some eastern statement on defeating an army with one stick.

I remember Weems in his book mentioned a day teaching Tony Robbins to ski. He was terrible, and crashed continually. At the end Robbins said he'd had a great day. When questioned how that could possibly be, Robbins said he’d learned what didn’t work.

 

[Bad Bob]

Even Richard Bach touched on the direction this thread is drifting.
Under performing due to lack of skills, with high performance equipment. Johnathon Livingston Seagull crashed a lot.

 

[markojp]

FWIW, base structure matters, and yes, a beginnermediate, low intermediate on a FIS Sl is sort of silly when some like Head V6 or V8 will hit it out of the park for the same desired outcomes for this skier demographic. ( or can we say it again? A navigator 80 ti.)

 

[David Chaus]

I realize this was a hypothetical thought exercise, yet I feel changing the ski behavior (by which I think we all mean how the ski reacts to the inputs of the skier) is nowhere near as useful as changing the skier’s behavior. I think there is a consensus that putting a low intermediate on a SL ski will not change the skier’s behavior in the way anyone will want.

 

[motogreg]

Ok, for giggles let's take it out of the realm of the hypothetical for a bit. I have an 11 year old solid intermediate who is pretty quickly progressing with his carving on the local (Michigan) black diamond runs. We've been on seasonal leases for the last few years (130 length last year), but he's ready for a "real" kids ski, so I've been casually looking around when.....a really clean pair of Racetiger SL's in a 138 popped up at a garage sale at a price I couldn't say no to. I think it "might" be (almost certainly is?) too much ski for the lad for this year, and I'm not opposed to picking up a more appropriate pair for him, but my goodness with 5 skiers in the family and my personal quiver at 4 plus a snowboard or two, i gotta lotta gear around. I'm not ready to let go of these, cause I know in a year or two he WILL be ready for them, but I'm not convinced I have room for a 10th (or is it 11th?? I've kinda lost count...and do I count the boards? sheesh math is hard) set of sticks.

 

[Philpug]

Ok, for giggles let's take it out of the realm of the hypothetical for a bit. I have an 11 year old solid intermediate who is pretty quickly progressing with his carving on the local (Michigan) black diamond runs. We've been on seasonal leases for the last few years (130 length last year), but he's ready for a "real" kids ski, so I've been casually looking around when.....a really clean pair of Racetiger SL's in a 138 popped up at a garage sale at a price I couldn't say no to. I think it "might" be (almost certainly is?) too much ski for the lad for this year, and I'm not opposed to picking up a more appropriate pair for him, but my goodness with 5 skiers in the family and my personal quiver at 4 plus a snowboard or two, i gotta lotta gear around. I'm not ready to let go of these, cause I know in a year or two he WILL be ready for them, but I'm not convinced I have room for a 10th (or is it 11th?? I've kinda lost count...and do I count the boards? sheesh math is hard) set of sticks.

If the ski is within the nose and forehead, it could be a good learning tool. With a junior SL, err to the short side than long.

 

[LiquidFeet]

Ok, for giggles let's take it out of the realm of the hypothetical for a bit. I have an 11 year old solid intermediate who is pretty quickly progressing with his carving on the local (Michigan) black diamond runs. ....

Really? Carving??
I have three questions, because if he's carving on the hill's black groomers I'd have trouble labeling him a low intermediate.
1. What do you technically mean when you say he's "carving?"
2. Is your son in a race program? Or in any seasonal program?
3. What skis are his peers on?

 

[motogreg]

well, progressing with his carving, for sure getting them on edge and riding the arc, but a ways off from Paul Lorenz.

Local black diamonds consist of a grand total of about 320 vertical feet, so lets not get carried away labeling it as "expert" terrain, basically any kid in the area can bomb top to bottom at age 6.

More of an middle intermediate, but I was being conservative for the sake of the hypothetical.

No race program, we have done some Nastar but nothing focused. We don't really have the time for it.

Most of his buddies are on twin-tip park skis, not so much of the directional stuff. Kids these days.... While he is a little interested in jumps etc, he is really keen on getting on edge and RIPPING.

 

[markojp]

He'll be fine. Chin to nose height is right.

 

[ScotsSkier]

that ski will be great for him to better develop skills. Dont in any way confuse a junior slalom at that length with an FIS slalom ski.

 

[motogreg]

thanks, that's reassuring, one sees the "FIS approved" bit and starts to second guess....

 

[LiquidFeet]

Clarity at last. Good.

 

[David Chaus]

Also, get rid of the snowboards if you're concerned about too many boards.

 

[Steve]

Mood setters* and mantras tend to be like that.

 

[motogreg]

well, it's funny, I haven't snowboarded since I lived in Utah 20 years ago cause in MI I don't want the hassle of fiddling with the straps.....

 

[James]

Most of his buddies are on twin-tip park skis, not so much of the directional stuff.

I think you’re better off learning on directional skis even if you go the other way later. It’s too easy to over rotate the center mounts.

Even Richard Bach touched on the direction this thread is drifting.
Under performing due to lack of skills, with high performance equipment. Johnathon Livingston Seagull crashed a lot.

All you have to do is drive through a special toll booth. But we got rid of them.

 

[Philpug]

I believe that was Jeff Goldbums first role.

 

[Steve]

He was actually in Death Wish 3 years earlier according to Wikipedia.