Starts at $38K
700# rack capacity. That's awesome!
Starts at $38K
Playing devil's advocate here, and apologies in advance if I offend:
Why does anybody legitimately need this car - not just want, but need?</rant>
Just my $0.02...
Playing devil's advocate here, and apologies in advance if I offend:
Why does anybody legitimately need this car - not just want, but need?
Do people really need bigger cars for two people? Do they need the slightly better off-road capability? Do they need a bigger engine?
I have a 2020 Outback, and some of the safety features seem very excellent. Also the backup camera. I just wouldn't want to be driving around over long distances, sometimes at night, sometimes on highways, in a car from 50 years ago.When it comes right down to it, my old '69 VW stationwagon (aka square-back sedan) would do just fine, as far as needs. The money I would save on the purchase price would more than make up for the better gas mileage of a modern car. It might have a bit of a problem passing emissions.
Speaking of emissions, and footprints, don't forget to factor in manufacture and disposal of batteries, and coal-generated electricity for those electric vehicles.
Subaru, probably made the right decision with the gasoline engine; the infrastructure for EVs isn't there yet, and probably won't be until the 2021/22 cars are worn out.
If you look at the vehicle that folks around here are almost certain to cross-shop, the outback is the green alternative.Playing devil's advocate here, and apologies in advance if I offend:
Why does anybody legitimately need this car - not just want, but need?
Do people really need bigger cars for two people? Do they need the slightly better off-road capability? Do they need a bigger engine?
Don't get me wrong: this new Outback may be great for certain people's needs. And it certainly gets the desire to want one up a bit.
But how many people honestly need the ability to carry a tiny house's worth of stuff with them? Sure, if you're taking the entire family out on the road the storage capacity and beefed up roof rack are useful. And there's something to be said of the fuel economy benefit of not having anything on the roof.
But I'm guessing that many here on SkiTalk are traveling as singles or couples, at most. So the question is: what's the practical upside of this car?
Oddly enough, I've been downscaling my cars over the years. Often times it's just me, my partner, or both of us in the car. We live in a dense urban area so parking anything larger than, say, a Crosstrek is a bit of a challenge (and that's about as big a car as I'd dare get). The 4-door sedan (or "saloon" in UK terms) is easy to park and maneuver in the city. I can carry all the gear I need for multi-week ski trips in the car, and with the roof box I can carry a good deal more. Bikes can travel on the roof rack with ease (and with the box still there for other things, if need be), and can be carried inside the car (wheels off mainly because my bikes are big) if I need to stash them.
While it's a petrol engined car (and not a young one, at that), it's probably my last that isn't hybrid, full electric, or fuel cell. It does really well on emissions and fuel economy (mainly because I baby it and don't race around, not engaging the turbo as much).
That's the thing that perplexes me with this car: its carbon footprint is huge. Why isn't it being offered as a hybrid (and why isn't it even an option)? Subaru purports to be "for those who love the wilderness," yet the only engine on offer is still petrol-only. This is disappointing.
Sorry if I offend any here - really, I am - but I'm puzzled by the overall lust for this new Subaru. I guess the folks at the company wanted to do one last showcase ICE vehicle before transitioning to electrics and other less-impactful technologies. I loved my Subaru (a Legacy 4-door, FWIW) and was sad when it finally gave up the ghost, and I'll look fondly back on it. But we are running out of time to slow CO2 accumulation and the resultant global temperature increase that will adversely affect snow sports and general comfort of living.
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Just my $0.02...
Why does anybody legitimately need this car - not just want, but need?
"Needs" is a tough slope to navigate.
The infrastructure as it exists now in many parts of California will not support an EV in every driveway AND we don't have enough electric power generating capacity to have EVs in every driveway in North America either.Also, if you're wiling to drive that VW for 50 years, I assume you'd drive a new Subaru for at least 20. And guess what? The infrastructure for electric vehicles will be here by then.
Yes, for a car *now* gasoline makes more sense to me. But I think we're going to see very rapid change in 5-10 years.
To clarify, my '69 VW would do, provided I could buy a new one today. The actual '69 VW rusted out decades ago.I have a 2020 Outback, and some of the safety features seem very excellent. Also the backup camera. I just wouldn't want to be driving around over long distances, sometimes at night, sometimes on highways, in a car from 50 years ago.
Also, if you're wiling to drive that VW for 50 years, I assume you'd drive a new Subaru for at least 20. And guess what? The infrastructure for electric vehicles will be here by then.
Yes, for a car *now* gasoline makes more sense to me. But I think we're going to see very rapid change in 5-10 years.
Playing devil's advocate here, and apologies in advance if I offend:
Why does anybody legitimately need this car - not just want, but need?
Do people really need bigger cars for two people? Do they need the slightly better off-road capability? Do they need a bigger engine?
Don't get me wrong: this new Outback may be great for certain people's needs. And it certainly gets the desire to want one up a bit.
But how many people honestly need the ability to carry a tiny house's worth of stuff with them? Sure, if you're taking the entire family out on the road the storage capacity and beefed up roof rack are useful. And there's something to be said of the fuel economy benefit of not having anything on the roof.
But I'm guessing that many here on SkiTalk are traveling as singles or couples, at most. So the question is: what's the practical upside of this car?
Oddly enough, I've been downscaling my cars over the years. Often times it's just me, my partner, or both of us in the car. We live in a dense urban area so parking anything larger than, say, a Crosstrek is a bit of a challenge (and that's about as big a car as I'd dare get). The 4-door sedan (or "saloon" in UK terms) is easy to park and maneuver in the city. I can carry all the gear I need for multi-week ski trips in the car, and with the roof box I can carry a good deal more. Bikes can travel on the roof rack with ease (and with the box still there for other things, if need be), and can be carried inside the car (wheels off mainly because my bikes are big) if I need to stash them.
While it's a petrol engined car (and not a young one, at that), it's probably my last that isn't hybrid, full electric, or fuel cell. It does really well on emissions and fuel economy (mainly because I baby it and don't race around, not engaging the turbo as much).
That's the thing that perplexes me with this car: its carbon footprint is huge. Why isn't it being offered as a hybrid (and why isn't it even an option)? Subaru purports to be "for those who love the wilderness," yet the only engine on offer is still petrol-only. This is disappointing.
Sorry if I offend any here - really, I am - but I'm puzzled by the overall lust for this new Subaru. I guess the folks at the company wanted to do one last showcase ICE vehicle before transitioning to electrics and other less-impactful technologies. I loved my Subaru (a Legacy 4-door, FWIW) and was sad when it finally gave up the ghost, and I'll look fondly back on it. But we are running out of time to slow CO2 accumulation and the resultant global temperature increase that will adversely affect snow sports and general comfort of living.
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Just my $0.02...
Looks like Godzilla puked on a perfectly nice car...
$39.996.00
I think you answered your own question here..Playing devil's advocate here, and apologies in advance if I offend:
Why does anybody legitimately need this car - not just want, but need?
Do people really need bigger cars for two people? Do they need the slightly better off-road capability? Do they need a bigger engine?
This is not a volume vehicle for Subaru, but it fits a niche. I don't expect Subaru to expect customers to qualify or fill out a questionier to purchase one of these...just that their check clears or they qualify for the financing.Don't get me wrong: this new Outback may be great for certain people's needs. And it certainly gets the desire to want one up a bit.