Tom Gellie's Webinars are Well Worth It IMO

[geepers]

For those looking to get their Tom Gellie fix on the cheap, check out the series of video discussions from Paul Simpson of the Ski Instructor Academy Austria:

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Gellie is a guest on several segments. They have a big mutual admiration society going. The sections of the YouTube channel you'll want to look at are "The Analysis Series" and "Bite-sized." Really great stuff here, IMHO. Simpson is engaging and amusing. It's shaping up that there's a lot of consistency between the work of the emerging new school bright stars in ski instruction.

As a consumer of both I can say that it is TG very-lite. Still, worth a watch. Found it a bit disconcerting when one of the instructors from SIA fronted in a neck brace...

 

[Disinterested]

The SIA guys aren't necessarily wrong about things but they have poor presentation skills. They don't know how to structure their content in a way that has flow, where they develop from simple to more complex concepts etc. They just dive right in as if the listener was part of the conversation they were obviously having before the recording started.

 

[tube77]

The SIA guys aren't necessarily wrong about things but they have poor presentation skills. They don't know how to structure their content in a way that has flow, where they develop from simple to more complex concepts etc. They just dive right in as if the listener was part of the conversation they were obviously having before the recording started.

I don't complain to SIA series as they made it available for free on youtube anyway.
On the other hand, I felt TG's paid contents are poorly structured and organized. There's no flow. It's just sporadic.
Also, there's no scent of professionals on the video quality and editing.
It's amateurish. I presume TG himself video taped and edited with his own home camcorder.
Sure. The contents matter.
But I felt the contents are also a bit boring but it might be worth a money for some.

 

[James]

Ever hear JF Beaulieu’s reverse interview on Gellie’s podcast? He’s so much better. I find Gellie painful. Not a good interviewer either. But, kudos for doing it. I will checkout the webinars though.

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[Disinterested]

Gellie's content is considerably more structured than the SIA guys, and it's very obvious when he's on with them that he's trying to drag the conversation in a direction that is more understandable to someone without a bunch of prior knowledge and build more from first principles. The SIA content is fine, but it does suffer from being chaotic and just assuming a listener already knows what they're talking about, and I wouldn't recommend it as a first thing to watch for someone I was training in movement analysis for that reason.

I agree that Gellie's video presentation isn't great, but it doesn't particularly need to be to get a point across. I agree though that for what's being paid he could stand to polish up his delivery.

 

[geepers]

Tend to think of TG's stuff as being the twigs and leaves (ie rich in detail) on the tree of knowledge - best to have some idea about the trunk and main limbs to place it in context. The material sure isn't a go to whoa beginner to intermediate to advanced to whatever ski manual.

If understanding correctly SIA main business is training folk to be instructors on multi-week courses. So their aim with the vids is to promote that. Supposedly there's quite a few instructors who partake in TG's content and it's primarily aimed at skiers already proficient in the basics.

But I felt the contents are also a bit boring but it might be worth a money for some.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I find them very interesting and have really enjoyed putting his stuff into action - even when I haven't yet nailed some specific aspect.

I could care less about production values as long as the intent is clear and understandable. If I want top quality ski porn then Projected Productions does a great job with production as well as providing ski advice. Not as rich in detail however.

 

[Steve]

I agree 100%. I think he’s brilliant, and if you stick with it his use of analogy and deep descriptions is very very effective. If you go to school you don’t care if the teacher is a great video editor you’re looking for information and examples which he gives.

 

[Chris V.]

The SIA guys aren't necessarily wrong about things but they have poor presentation skills.

The SIA content is fine, but it does suffer from being chaotic and just assuming a listener already knows what they're talking about, and I wouldn't recommend it as a first thing to watch for someone I was training in movement analysis for that reason.

I certainly agree that the material isn't the best for a novice skier, or for an instructor who is in the early stages of developing movement analysis skills. Just look at who the skiers are in the samples that the SIA selects for analysis, and for pointing out pathways to improvement. These are pretty solid skiers, who are making consistent turns in control, and who are capable of skiing advanced terrain with confidence. But they would benefit from some basic changes in their movement patterns. So this is pretty high level material that is being presented. Yes, it does require the listener to have some background in order to derive good benefit from it. I think that many following this Pugski forum have that background.

On the other hand, I felt TG's paid contents are poorly structured and organized. There's no flow. It's just sporadic.

I have to disagree. I think that Gellie goes through whatever subject he's taken on patiently and methodically. It might be too slow for some, but he's trying to reach as many people as possible.

Tend to think of TG's stuff as being the twigs and leaves (ie rich in detail) on the tree of knowledge - best to have some idea about the trunk and main limbs to place it in context. The material sure isn't a go to whoa beginner to intermediate to advanced to whatever ski manual.

Agreed.

I don't personally care about the lack of polish in the presentations of either of these guys. I'm more interested in getting sound information, well explained, on subjects and at a level of sophistication that aren't readily available elsewhere.

If people here have comments on particular points raised in these video segments--possibly contending that some points are incorrect or lack the correct emphasis--that's something I would find instructive.

 

[LiquidFeet]

....I think that Gellie goes through whatever subject he's taken on patiently and methodically. It might be too slow for some, but he's trying to reach as many people as possible.....

His videos move too slow for me (literally), but I speed them up (1.75x) and then they aren't slow any more. Vimeo must have an algorithm that keeps a voice sounding the same when it's sped up. Nice feature.

 

[Mike King]

His new video taking a student to carving in 3 days is quite good.

 

[GB_Ski]

Anyone got a promo code?

 

[Ade62]

I like TG’s presentation style. It’s informal and relaxed. However informal the style is, I think his teaching approach is outstanding. He clearly understands how people learn and layers the content effectively.

The videos are clearly aimed at already committed and passionate skiers. The content is outstanding and needs to be viewed multiple times to get the most out of it.

He’s not confined by any skiing style or national governing body, so works with the laws of physics and bio mechanical principles.

I have been working on a few of his ideas on our indoor snow slope in Manchester and while still very much a work in progress, I can see and feel how sound and effective his ideas are.

 

[Steve]

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[Noodler]

Posting this TG video, not for any learning content, but rather for the stoke.

This looks like it was way too much fun...

 

[Steve]

He walks the walk.

 

[LiquidFeet]

Today it's pouring outside, and gloomy. It's a day for watching the Tom Gellie videos. I have to make myself do that, as I find them tedious. But his take is out-of-the-box and I enjoy free thinkers.

I find his advice to be targeted at high end skiers who want to maximize edge angle on groomers (with accompanying speed) and speed in moguls that are skied primarily in the fall line.

Anyone watched more vids than me and disagree here?
I'm open to hearing that I'm wrong and that he aims his advice at skiers with other goals as well.

 

[GB_Ski]

Today it's pouring outside, and gloomy. It's a day for watching the Tom Gellie videos. I have to make myself do that, as I find them tedious. But his take is out-of-the-box and I enjoy free thinkers.

I find his advice to be targeted at high end skiers who want to maximize edge angle on groomers (with accompanying speed) and speed in moguls that are skied primarily in the fall line.

Anyone watched more vids than me and disagree here?
I'm open to hearing that I'm wrong and that he targets skiers with other aims as well.

Just signed up. Which video are you talking about?

 

[LiquidFeet]

I've watched quite a few.
There is overlap.
He also develops his ideas as he goes and so some videos have earlier versions of a concept while others explain it in more depth with more specific terminology.

 

[Blue Streak]

I signed up this past weekend for the 3 month access with the SIA 50% off code. He brings a thoughtful perspective, which helps round out my understanding. As I watch his videos, I can't help but come up with fresh ideas for my own skiing and teaching.

 

[Blue Streak]