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So many years ago I used to tune and wax my skis, but somewhere over the years the stuff got tossed.
Now I want to get back into prepping my skis. Should I just purchase the tools separately or buy a kit from somewhere like Racewax?
 

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If you are serious about it. get the pieces individually.
The tools that usually come in a kit generally are entry level stuff that get outgrown quickly.

If budget is an issue. Start with tools for waxing and deburring first.
 

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So many years ago I used to tune and wax my skis, but somewhere over the years the stuff got tossed.
Now I want to get back into prepping my skis. Should I just purchase the tools separately or buy a kit from somewhere like Racewax?
What do you exactly want/need?....I have a bunch of relatively new stuff I can let go of/for a better price than new. (I buy a ton of stuff....and then only end up using my "favorites"....so I have all this extra stuff that is just sitting around unused.)
 
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What do you exactly want/need?....I have a bunch of relatively new stuff I can let go of/for a better price than new. (I buy a ton of stuff....and then only end up using my "favorites"....so I have all this extra stuff that is just sitting around unused.)
Well I guess I'm looking for suggestions as to what do I need.

If you are serious about it. get the pieces individually.
The tools that usually come in a kit generally are entry level stuff that get outgrown quickly.

If budget is an issue. Start with tools for waxing and deburring first.
I was looking at the RaceWax kits. Seems like the stuff in the kits is the same as what they sell individually. But maybe that stuff is just not that good to begin with...
What do I know as I'm just a noob :D

So what would be a good place/brands to buy ? What basic tools would I need to get started with for waxing/deburring?
 

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A waxing iron and a good scraper is a start, and if you like to wax you can graduate to tuning. No need to get everything at once, you stopped doing it years ago for a reason, you might want to go back slowly because the reason you stopped may become familiar to you again.
 
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A waxing iron and a good scraper is a start, and if you like to wax you can graduate to tuning. No need to get everything at once, you stopped doing it years ago for a reason, you might want to go back slowly because the reason you stopped may become familiar to you again.
I enjoyed doing it- I stopped because I moved and stopped skiing for a couple years, then would rent demos when I did ski.
 

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A waxing iron and a good scraper is a start...
In the East it's all about sharp edges. Get a Razor Tune. By the time you buy cheap tools, then replace them with better tools, then replace those with pro tools and throw away all the one you don't like, you could have paid for 2 Razor Tunes. Get a grind at a shop whenever the base needs it.
Waxing is almost irrelevant in the East. Use liquid wax in the spring.

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Guides: Decide on your angle and have a shop tune the skis to these angles.
Bottom edge guide...I want a simple guide for just this angle. I don't use the combination tuning tools.
Side edge guide...I want a simple angle-bar guide for this angle.

Cutting tools:
6" hard chrome mill file second cut
Coarse 100 mm diamond stone (I like Swix)
Medium 100 mm diamond stone
Fine 100 mm abrasive stone

Wax:
Universal wax (I like Dominator)
Wax iron (find one on eBay)
Plastic wax scraper

And a ski vise. Home made (check youtube) or store bought.

There is a lot of personal preference with all the items above. Basically I want to get the skis shop-tuned yearly, then just remove burrs off the bottom edges and sharpen the side edges through the season. The work-hardened burrs are too hard for a file; remove them with the stone or diamond stone. Waxing is somewhere between science and black magic, and everyone has their favorite wax and technique. The file is just when I need to remove a lot of metal, and that's very rare. A hardware store file is too soft.
 

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I was looking at the RaceWax kits. Seems like the stuff in the kits is the same as what they sell individually. But maybe that stuff is just not that good to begin with...
What do I know as I'm just a noob :D

So what would be a good place/brands to buy ? What basic tools would I need to get started with for waxing/deburring?

Lots of ground been covered in many previous forum threads.


 

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Agree with all you said but wax, I run blue wax pretty much all season except spring.
I'll agree on the sharp edges, but disagree on the waxing........ I'll just keep doing it.
Surely you jest, waxing is important. I hate to ski without wax, the skis just drag and they are harder to turn.
I haven't exderienced any of those problems. I hot wax once a year when I put them away, and I'm always able to keep up with everyone. On cold days no wax is better than universal, but I mostly stay home on green wax days anyway. All my friends tell me I'm doing it wrong, but they all want to borrow my liquid wax on warm days.
Maybe skiing natural snow out west is different than the Adirondack man made we ski around here.

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In the East it's all about sharp edges. Get a Razor Tune. By the time you buy cheap tools, then replace them with better tools, then replace those with pro tools and throw away all the one you don't like, you could have paid for 2 Razor Tunes. Get a grind at a shop whenever the base needs it.
Waxing is almost irrelevant in the East. Use liquid wax in the spring.

dm
Funny thing is that I kind of piss off my family about tools. For those gift giving days I will always give the actual make and model of the tools I want- they say it kind of takes the fun out of gift giving :huh:. I don't buy cheap crap tools, and I want the quality stuff. So I'm not one to buy some crap only to buy some more crap.

I read through the posts that @KingGrump referenced- these were very helpful as are some of the post in this thread. Reading through all these, it is apparent that people like different brands for personal reasons- whether it's the quality of the tool, or the feel of the tool, or brand loyalty. I guess I'll just figure that out myself.

I know I spent hundreds of dollars out in Utah maintaining 4 pairs of skis- I think each pair got a base grind at least once. So at this point, all the bases are in great shape, and the angles are set and we are all happy with them. What I don't have where I live is a shop that I trust to work on my skis. So when I go skiing I want to hit the slopes and not have to go get my skis tuned at a shop before hitting the slopes. So that's why I want to get back into waxing and maintaining the edges. I did it before and it wasn't that difficult. Now there are a lot better tools and information out on the interwebs to help with this.

The Razor Tune looks interesting, but kind of overkill for what I need. I get your point regarding spending lots of money of useless things and the Razor Tune might be the easy button. But I really enjoy hand washing my car and using one of those would be like taking the car to the car wash. Kind of same results in the end, but I missed out on the personal aspect of it.

But I'm with you 100% regarding sharp edges. Growing up skiing in NJ and the NE, I know that I would rather have sharp edges than wax on my skis any day.
 

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What is this choice between wax and edges? If there’s no time to iron just slather something on.

Well the advantage of hand tools is there’s not a motorized tool dispersing metal dust in the air. Of course with hand tools your fingers/hands get bits of metal and fiberglass in them. You get fine metal twist stuck to your clothes. Fleece is a good magnet for that. An apron is a good idea if you remember to put it on before it’s too late.

Your basic decision is Beast Pro side edge guide with 1,2,3 and maybe 4 degree plates or fixed guides using a spring or other type of clamp.
There’s two camps. I mainly use Beast, but others can’t live with it and will write tombs of how it’s the end of civilization.ogsmile


Just don’t get a multi angle adjustable guide. Complete waste. Though those have their advocates too.

Here’s some sources. Good time of year.

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Geez, they’ve got diamond files for $16 for 100mm. Thinking they’re not 3x as bad as the wcup ones, but never used them.

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Makers of the Beast side edge tool. Sell Dominator wax too.

Queensbury, NY I think they changed hands a few years ago.

Terry is a member and used to post a lot.

Small shop in VT that is a xc racing specialist. Brushes and irons I’ve used him for.

I was going to recommend artechski in NH but got this. Too bad

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Funny thing is that I kind of piss off my family about tools. For those gift giving days I will always give the actual make and model of the tools I want- they say it kind of takes the fun out of gift giving :huh:. I don't buy cheap crap tools, and I want the quality stuff. So I'm not one to buy some crap only to buy some more crap.

I read through the posts that @KingGrump referenced- these were very helpful as are some of the post in this thread. Reading through all these, it is apparent that people like different brands for personal reasons- whether it's the quality of the tool, or the feel of the tool, or brand loyalty. I guess I'll just figure that out myself.

I know I spent hundreds of dollars out in Utah maintaining 4 pairs of skis- I think each pair got a base grind at least once. So at this point, all the bases are in great shape, and the angles are set and we are all happy with them. What I don't have where I live is a shop that I trust to work on my skis. So when I go skiing I want to hit the slopes and not have to go get my skis tuned at a shop before hitting the slopes. So that's why I want to get back into waxing and maintaining the edges. I did it before and it wasn't that difficult. Now there are a lot better tools and information out on the interwebs to help with this.

The Razor Tune looks interesting, but kind of overkill for what I need. I get your point regarding spending lots of money of useless things and the Razor Tune might be the easy button. But I really enjoy hand washing my car and using one of those would be like taking the car to the car wash. Kind of same results in the end, but I missed out on the personal aspect of it.

But I'm with you 100% regarding sharp edges. Growing up skiing in NJ and the NE, I know that I would rather have sharp edges than wax on my skis any day.
I don't think anyone is saying don't have sharp edges especially in the NE. When I suggested starting with a wax iron and a good scraper I didn't know how much you wanted to invest right from the start. Most people here will agree with you on quantity tools and I didn't mention a brand name because you will get pros and cons on any brand name that come up. I wax my own skis and touch up my edges but when it comes down to setting the base and side angles I let the professionals do that job.
 
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I don't think anyone is saying don't have sharp edges especially in the NE. When I suggested starting with a wax iron and a good scraper I didn't know how much you wanted to invest right from the start. Most people here will agree with you on quantity tools and I didn't mention a brand name because you will get pros and cons on any brand name that come up. I wax my own skis and touch up my edges but when it comes down to setting the base and side angles I let the professionals do that job.
So maybe I will go all in and get the tools I need now and start having fun. After reading some of those other threads it was very apparent that everyone has an opinion on stuff. But that's kind of normal for this site and skiers in general. We all have our favs, whether it's skis, boots, resorts, passes..... you name it, we all have opinions. But I won't ask what iron to get, or whether I really need a metal scraper instead of plastic. ;)

So then some questions regarding base and side angles.
Since all my skis had base grinds and a few hand tunes out in Utah recently- shouldn't they be set now? They were 1 degree base and 3 on the edge. Kind of normal.
Once they are set (and you like the angles) isn't it just maintaining the angle?
 

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What is this choice between wax and edges? If there’s no time to iron just slather something on.
Waxing is harder than sharpeneing, and cleaning up wax is harder still. It's easier to use liquid wax twice a day than to hot wax once every 4 days.
Well the advantage of hand tools is there’s not a motorized tool dispersing metal dust in the air. Of course with hand tools your fingers/hands get bits of metal and fiberglass in them. You get fine metal twist stuck to your clothes. Fleece is a good magnet for that. An apron is a good idea if you remember to put it on before it’s too late.
Electric grinders are faster but only if you have them ready to use without a lot of set up. I use mine outdoors with a battery so ventilation and plugging in wires is not an issue. If you don't have a permanent bench and a convenient poer source you would do better to use hand tools.
Just don’t get a multi angle adjustable guide. Complete waste. Though those have their advocates too.
Most multi angle guides are not stable enough, but I like the Ski Visions adjustable guide with stones, not files. It's way esier to use than any fixed guide. YMMV

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So maybe I will go all in and get the tools I need now and start having fun. After reading some of those other threads it was very apparent that everyone has an opinion on stuff. But that's kind of normal for this site and skiers in general. We all have our favs, whether it's skis, boots, resorts, passes..... you name it, we all have opinions. But I won't ask what iron to get, or whether I really need a metal scraper instead of plastic. ;)

So then some questions regarding base and side angles.
Since all my skis had base grinds and a few hand tunes out in Utah recently- shouldn't they be set now? They were 1 degree base and 3 on the edge. Kind of normal.
Once they are set (and you like the angles) isn't it just maintaining the angle?
I would reset base and side angle every other or every third tune. But the guy to ask is @Doug Briggs he is a great source on this stuff.
 

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