Mid-Atlantic 2021-2022 Mid-Atlantic Ski Resorts/Conditions/Meetups

[Wendy]

"Good luck with your move in the spring! I’m sure you won’t miss the PA roads. "

I'm originally from NJ...the PA roads are fine and dandy by comparison. LOL

That ain’t saying much, though.

 

[cantunamunch]

That ain’t saying much, though.

No jughandles? In the entire state? SOLD!

 

[Wendy]

No jughandles? In the entire state? SOLD!

PA now is putting in roundabouts. Wow….progress, LOL! Took them long enough to figure out that they are more efficient than traffic lights in some areas. Of course, all the old-timers near me protested the construction of the first one. It’s helped alleviate traffic backups by a lot, but….change!

 

[cantunamunch]

PA now is putting in roundabouts. Wow….progress, LOL! Took them long enough to figure out that they are more efficient than traffic lights in some areas. Of course, all the old-timers near me protested the construction of the first one. It’s helped alleviate traffic backups by a lot, but….change!

Any chance of a diamond intersection? pleeeeeez?

 

[dbostedo]

Any chance of a diamond intersection? pleeeeeez?

I still haven't ever seen one! I like it, but I do fear that people are easily confused (me included )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverging_diamond_interchange.

 

[Wendy]

Any chance of a diamond intersection? pleeeeeez?

I think 2 were put in on Rt 22 in the Allentown/Bethlehem area, replacing dangerous clover leaves were the convergence of the exit/entry ramps caused all kinds of traffic weaving chaos. They are easy to navigate.

However, I’ve seen some PA new highway construction where they still put in the chaos-inducing clover leaves. But, it’s PA. Not exactly the model of innovation here.

 

[Wendy]

No jughandles? In the entire state? SOLD!

NJ tops the list of states with jughandles. PA is right behind. According to Wikipedia,
“States with a prevalence of jughandles include New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Ohio, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New York, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Vermont. Jughandles are particularly associated with New Jersey.[3][4][5]”

Looks like NC didn’t make the list. Good news for @johnnyvw !

 

[cantunamunch]

Looks like NC didn’t make the list. Good news for @johnnyvw !

Exactly

 

[johnnyvw]

PA now is putting in roundabouts. Wow….progress, LOL! Took them long enough to figure out that they are more efficient than traffic lights in some areas. Of course, all the old-timers near me protested the construction of the first one. It’s helped alleviate traffic backups by a lot, but….change!

Progress? NJ has been getting rid of them over the last 30 years, as they cause back ups because people forget the "rules of the road" when they get to them...they either freeze up or just barrel into them. They worked well in the 30's to 50's when traffic was much less, not so much these days

 

[Wendy]

Progress? NJ has been getting rid of them over the last 30 years, as they cause back ups because people forget the "rules of the road" when they get to them...they either freeze up or just barrel into them. They worked well in the 30's to 50's when traffic was much less, not so much these days

To be fair, the areas where roundabouts are being implemented aren’t on high-trafficked highways, but more moderately trafficked 2-lane roads where lights caused the huge backups.

PA drivers aren’t quite NJ drivers either.

 

[johnnyvw]

The new one in PA that I'm most familiar with is in the Marshalls Creek area (near Ski Shawnee), where they did the by-pass. In that case, it works OK because the whole by-pass makes life easier than the old intersection did. The other one I know being constructed is in Brodheadsville. That area is always a mess with traffic.

 

[cantunamunch]

Honestly, the only roundabouts I know that are a mess are ones where the designers either stuck in lights or created a lane to cut across the roundabout. Or both.

 

[neonorchid]

To be fair, the areas where roundabouts are being implemented aren’t on high-trafficked highways, but more moderately trafficked 2-lane roads where lights caused the huge backups.

PA drivers aren’t quite NJ drivers either.

Not true:

http://www.yargerengineering.com/articles/roundabouts.html

Carmel is going all out for National Roundabout Week

CARMEL, Ind. (WISH) — With a total of 140 roundabouts, Carmel has the most roundabouts of any city in the United States — and its residents are excited for National Roundabout Week. Beginning Monday, the City of Carmel will be hosting several events: Monday, Sept. 20 — “Rockin’ Roundabout” video...

www.wishtv.com

Roundabouts | City of Carmel

 

[dbostedo]

Not true:

http://www.yargerengineering.com/articles/roundabouts.html

Carmel is going all out for National Roundabout Week

CARMEL, Ind. (WISH) — With a total of 140 roundabouts, Carmel has the most roundabouts of any city in the United States — and its residents are excited for National Roundabout Week. Beginning Monday, the City of Carmel will be hosting several events: Monday, Sept. 20 — “Rockin’ Roundabout” video...

www.wishtv.com

Roundabouts | City of Carmel

I believe @Wendy was only referring to the roundabouts she knew of in PA... not all of them in general.

Around here, the same holds true. I know of several roundabouts in suburban or more rural areas, where a stop light can occasionally create some traffic delay, but there isn't enough traffic that a roundabout ever backs up. I haven't seen new roundabouts going in at more high traffic places around here.

 

[cantunamunch]

I believe @Wendy was only referring to the roundabouts she knew of in PA... not all of them in general.

Around here, the same holds true. I know of several roundabouts in suburban or more rural areas, where a stop light can occasionally create some traffic delay, but there isn't enough traffic that a roundabout ever backs up. I haven't seen new roundabouts going in at more high traffic places around here.

You know, I'll bet that Google know a lot more about that than they're publishing. Their map interpretation and traffic evaluation facilities should be able to generate that info almost as an afterthought.

 

[neonorchid]

PA now is putting in roundabouts. Wow….progress, LOL! Took them long enough to figure out that they are more efficient than traffic lights in some areas. Of course, all the old-timers near me protested the construction of the first one. It’s helped alleviate traffic backups by a lot, but….change!

The old timers probably remember the disastrous roundabouts of New Jersey and never drove a properly implemented roundabout. Japan had sent engineers to Indy to study their roundabouts.

 

[David Orr]

Blowing snow up here at Sugar Mountain this evening!

 

[Willyum215]

@cantunamunch @Wendy @neonorchid we have a traffic circle/roundabout in Fishtown, Philly now - at the intersection of York St/Frankford Ave/Trenton Ave, just a few blocks from our house. I thought it would be a disaster, but it actually works quite nicely.

 

[SCWVA]

Snowshoe is the first to blow in WV.

 

[Wendy]

I believe @Wendy was only referring to the roundabouts she knew of in PA... not all of them in general.

Around here, the same holds true. I know of several roundabouts in suburban or more rural areas, where a stop light can occasionally create some traffic delay, but there isn't enough traffic that a roundabout ever backs up. I haven't seen new roundabouts going in at more high traffic places around here.

True. Just the ones I see around here.
We can get a lot of tractor trailer traffic on roads not designed for them (one reason why we can’t wait to leave PA). At traffic lights, the heavy trucks take so long to get going again that it backs things up, whereas with just cars it’s not so bad. The roundabouts at least keep things moving enough that the trucks don’t have to stop, just slow down, so that the backups don’t occur.