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A proposal for a new idea for choosing future Gathering destinations

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Is there another reason why this place seems banned off the rotation?
No, there isn't.

When looking at lodging costs last year, I looked at a LOT of places and options. The deals were VERY, VERY few and far between. Places I had considered at the prior Gathering, and the place I actually rented last time, were going for 2X-4X as much over the prior Gathering. (My $1400 rental in 2019 was listed for over $5000 last season. Hotels that were $200/night, were running over $500/night.)

It's possible this has calmed down some - I haven't looked. But I/we should do the due diligence to figure out if it should be an option again. I'm dubious as I know some of the hotel rates in the village are still very high. The secondary problem is that there isn't a secondary option. With Aspen you can go to Basalt, or Carbondale, and trade some commute for cost. With Big Sky that would pretty much mean going to Bozeman, and a long commute.

Very much in favor of Taos. For those of us with limited vacation time, it makes it possible for us to do ski week while still having the opportunity to attend a national Gathering. I just don’t know how I would otherwise fit a national Gathering into my winter schedule.

There was Taos talk earlier... I'd be OK with that, personally, though don't really like the idea of doing a later season ski week, and not having as much chance to use it. Here's what I wrote earlier:

I'm assuming less taking ski weeks if the National Gathering was at Taos for two reasons...
  1. Later in the season (the opposite of why the current Gathering is earlier season)
  2. More of a social event
I could be wrong, but I'd forego the ski week personally, unless nearly everyone else was in it.

And since we've circled back around to talking about the location, I'll repost my preferred list from like 1000 posts ago... I think Copper/A-Basin is a good combo too, and probably should have included it in the middle of my list.

My PERSONAL list of where I'd like the Gathering to be in 2025, purely as an attendee... NOT in any official selection capacity or factoring Gathering criteria other than "Ikon":
  1. SkiBig3 (Lake Louise/Sunshine)
  2. Jackson Hole
  3. Panorama
  4. Steamboat
  5. Bachelor
  6. Mammoth
  7. Aspen
Aspen's still my favorite place, but I've been there a couple of times pretty recently, so I knocked it down the list.
 

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That’s it. Inviting Richard Dreyfuss to the next Gathering!

We’ll save the special dinner concert for the last night or we might not get in any skiing.

“Play the five tones…”
 

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And since we've circled back around to talking about the location, I'll repost my preferred list from like 1000 posts ago... I think Copper/A-Basin is a good combo too, and probably should have included it in the middle of my list.
Have you looked at the lodging cost in Summit county lately?
 

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Yes. Expensive (as pretty much every resort area is), but I don't think it rises to the level of being an issue. Lots of options too, and commutes possible.
I don’t know the criteria for choosing gathering locations. But if I look at the 4 “rotation” mountains. UT is way less expensive. Jackson also below the level of Summit county by a noticeable margin.

Aspen probably cost more on average. But “on average”, Aspen lodging are generally of higher standard. So the “value” is actually better in my personal opinion.

That left Big Sky, which is more expensive than Summit county by a long shot. But it’s that very fact that caused it to be dropped from the “rotation”. With Big Sky out, Summit would easily occupy the position as the least value for cost in terms of lodging.

Hate it or hate Vail, Whistler Blackcomb is probably the best fit for the group. Yes, it’s expensive just the same. But the ratio of terrain vs cost makes it the best value for the kind of skiing the gather attendees.

Don’t understand why Tahoe isn’t in regular running either. Yes, driving needed to get to the different mountains. But it isn’t that much worse than that of the Cottonwood Canyons of late. It may not have champaign powder. But the terrain should get many of the gathering regulars excited. And cheap lodging like UT too
 
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It's possible this has calmed down some - I haven't looked. But I/we should do the due diligence to figure out if it should be an option again. I'm dubious as I know some of the hotel rates in the village are still very high. The secondary problem is that there isn't a secondary option. With Aspen you can go to Basalt, or Carbondale, and trade some commute for cost. With Big Sky that would pretty much mean going to Bozeman, and a long commute.
FWIW staying in West Yellowstone is pretty cool with lots of affordable lodging, and it’s about an hour to Big Sky, about the same as Bozeman, without any traffic.
 

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Jackson also below the level of Summit county by a noticeable margin.
I think I'd disagree with this, with only some cursory looks though. What exactly are you comparing? When I look at Jackson vs. Silverthorne/Dillon (which are similar commutes to the ski resort) things look fairly similar to me. If you look at Teton Village to Copper Village, again things seem more similar.

FWIW staying in West Yellowstone is pretty cool with lots of affordable lodging, and it’s about an hour to Big Sky, about the same as Bozeman, without any traffic.
This is my personal bias showing, but an hour is a very long drive (as in, I wouldn't do it) for a Gathering, IMO. For 1 or 2 days, OK, but not as a 6 day thing.
 

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I think I'd disagree with this, with only some cursory looks though. What exactly are you comparing? When I look at Jackson vs. Silverthorne/Dillon (which are similar commutes to the ski resort) things look fairly similar to me. If you look at Teton Village to Copper Village, again things seem more similar.
Are you looking at lodging a year in advance? Yes, they’re comparable this far ahead. (Or if you’re looking at current prices, you’re talking about late season prices)

But closer to the time, Summit lodging goes up steadily. While I don’t find it as bad in Jackson.

It’s from my experience of going to both places mid-season, Much more choices in Jackson. Not nearly as much in Summit county.
 

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FWIW staying in West Yellowstone is pretty cool with lots of affordable lodging, and it’s about an hour to Big Sky, about the same as Bozeman, without any traffic.
While traffic may not be much of an issue, weather can be.

An hour in good weather can turn into 2 when it’s snowing.

I’m more of a fan of Bozeman. Not as cheap as West Yellowstone. But there’s a bus to Big Sky running every hour or so. Makes it possible to hang around a bit after skiing without missing out entirely.
 

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Mammoth late winter, early spring would be an especially fun week for this person since I know the Eastern sierra so well especially summer wilderness areas. When spring wind blown powder off the Cornice and Chair 5 is good at Mammoth, it as good as one might experience anywhere as one of skiing's most glorious sensations. Main issue would be to negotiate to get some kind of group discount for lift tickets and block lodging for any of those herein that agreed to go into a group block discount package for. Decades ago the Mammoth Motel 6 actually had the old chain nightly pricing.

Any serious discussion of gathering locations would need to have some crude understanding of the general range of lodging and lift ticket costs as there are enormous differences. Nothing new as Vail was always like that.

Heavenly at South Lake Tahoe, SLT, is maybe the least expensive mountain resort with service walk to lifts from large amounts of low expense midweek lodging areas. Heck one can stay midweek in some of the casino fine rooms for less than $100 a night. The decades of casino gambling and big name entertainment, is why SLT is a world class destination with many foreigners on ski slopes and sharing lift rides. Thus although one might argue on better snow years, Big Sky or Jackson is awesome, larger numbers of potential gathering new persons would go if lodging was way cheaper as like less than $100 a night.

On midweek nights for years, I've been paying less than $70 a night to stay at modest South Lake Tahoe 2-star lodging with all usual that level amenities, eating out of walk to from lodging Raleys or Safeway supermarkets. And in morning walking in ski boots the minor distance over to the Gondola then taking the incredibly scenic and steep, morning ride on the Gondola that rises over 2.7k over 2.4 horizontal miles. However, given the increase in skiers with passes, the Gondola now often has a longish early morning backup as people from all the lodging get in line. Well this person instead, given that Tahoe skiing has always been via driving, I just drive up NV 217 to Kingsbury then to least used Heavenly Boulder Lot to park. With the new North Bowl Express Quad lift, I can now get up to the East Peak Lodge upper mountain lifts fastest so.

Main issue with Heavenly would be the Epic/Icon pass split. One way to resolve that would be given enough agreed to participants, would have a second regional Tahoe Epic gathering that would draw less nationally than the national gathering, but enough core members that could choose either one in a given year. For Heavenly, the other main issue is that on drier winters it can be bony, disappointing. That is why having very reliable for advanced skiing, Kirkwood as an alternate destination for a SLT based gathering. But Kirkwood is more awkward bus ride or shared group drive.

Another regional idea I like except in difficult windy stormy weather would be for a regional gathering skiing Mount Rose all midweek while staying at less expensive group lodging in downtown Reno where there are also always other leisure activity diversions. There are other Western Epic resorts that could work but I doubt others would be as low cost as SLT or Reno. Main point is Mount Rose is now a well run world class resort with more consistently excellent higher elevation packed powder snow on par with Kirkwood and Upper Heavenly with much advanced DD terrain. Though due to its alpine exposure on windy days is rather limited. Please add them as ideas if so.

The one thing Mount Rose lacks is a dedicated recreational bump chair with bump lines viewable all the way down the chair. Given its huge advanced skier base in populous Reno, Mount Rose is ideal for a local zone resort that could develop a serious mogul slope following. The location for such a lift is obviously north-northwest facing modestly steep down Jetta into Kit Carson Bowl, a direct 700 foot vertical lift would supply. Would not even need to be any express lift and could be especially useful on windy days. They could add some fun there too, say with some lively inspiring Classic rock music (or whatever fun lively music) over speakers during some specific hours, some days, and even an adjustable direction webcam video feed from cameras on lift towers on bump skiers playing live down in the main lodge.

 
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FWIW staying in West Yellowstone is pretty cool with lots of affordable lodging, and it’s about an hour to Big Sky, about the same as Bozeman, without any traffic.

A bit of a drive, for sure, but almost guaranteed interesting wildlife sitings every time. The real bonus is if you happen to also be an xc skier -- the Rendezvous Trail System is a treat!
 

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Don’t understand why Tahoe isn’t in regular running either.
Snow in the Rockies is SO much nicer than snow in the Cal / Ore / Wa / Coastal BC area.
 

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FWIW staying in West Yellowstone is pretty cool with lots of affordable lodging, and it’s about an hour to Big Sky, about the same as Bozeman, without any traffic.
This is my personal bias showing, but an hour is a very long drive (as in, I wouldn't do it) for a Gathering, IMO. For 1 or 2 days, OK, but not as a 6 day thing.

I booked lodging in November for my March trip and Big Sky remained redonkulous. We did end up in West Yellowstone and indeed, it was fine for two days but it was a long slow drive. (snow and ice on the highway - W. Yellowstone had more snow than any other place we visited!)

As for Jackson, I found affordable options, including the Elk Country Inn which punched way above the others in terms of price vs. amenities, including free bus ride to/from the resort.

As for Summit County, at last check, Silverthorne/Dillon had reasonable accommodations.
 

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And the 2015 gathering and - as I understand it - the 2020 gathering.
‘15 JH wasn’t a boneyard, but solid Killingtonesque. I do remember watching from the chair as a guy fell on a double blue and slid for at least 50-70 yards. Then we got 8” of powder which was nice.
You did miss the Hobacks refreeze journey. No way out but through. That was special.

But Targhee stole the show. It’s weird, because as nice and fluffy as that place is, it’s essentially trying to kill you. Just don’t go all cowboy or Candide up on that traversing ridge…
 
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