All new WRX for 2022

[Ogg]

Golf R MPG 23 city 30 highway (automatic)

WRX MPG 19 city 25 highway (CVT)


...I'm looking forward to seeing how Corolla GR stacks up.

Subaru turbo motors have never been particularly efficient. My wife's Legacy GT averaged 19.5 mpg(calculated by actual gas records) in the 90k miles she owned it. It got significantly worse mileage when I drove it for some reason.

 

[tball]

Check out the plastic-clad fenders on the new Toyota Crown:

2023 Toyota Crown Replaces the Avalon as a Lifted, Hybrid Sedan

The Crown nameplate, which has existed in Japan since the 1950s, will now appear in the U.S. on a new lifted sedan.

www.caranddriver.com

If they have to make sedans look like SUVs to save the sedan, I guess it's not such a bad thing. Better than sedans going away altogether.

Hopefully, they will make a GR Crown down the road. It's got the potential as fun and fuel-efficient ski car. Love they have an eight-speed transmission instead of the CVT in the top trim (still with a hybrid).

 

[Philpug]

If they have to make sedans look like SUVs to save the sedan, I guess it's not such a bad thing. Better than sedans going away altogether.

 

[Ogg]

They made a coupe too. Too bad they were made by AMC.

 

[Ken_R]

Check out the plastic-clad fenders on the new Toyota Crown:

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2023 Toyota Crown Replaces the Avalon as a Lifted, Hybrid Sedan

The Crown nameplate, which has existed in Japan since the 1950s, will now appear in the U.S. on a new lifted sedan.

www.caranddriver.com

If they have to make sedans look like SUVs to save the sedan, I guess it's not such a bad thing. Better than sedans going away altogether.

Hopefully, they will make a GR Crown down the road. It's got the potential as fun and fuel-efficient ski car. Love they have an eight-speed transmission instead of the CVT in the top trim (still with a hybrid).

I guess Honda was ahead of its time in 2009. Remember this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Crosstour

 

[JohnnyG]

Subaru turbo motors have never been particularly efficient. My wife's Legacy GT averaged 19.5 mpg(calculated by actual gas records) in the 90k miles she owned it. It got significantly worse mileage when I drove it for some reason.

Smiles per mile, efficiency be damned!

 

[neonorchid]

Check out the plastic-clad fenders on the new Toyota Crown:
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Hopefully, they will make a GR Crown down the road. It's got the potential as fun and fuel-efficient ski car. Love they have an eight-speed transmission instead of the CVT in the top trim (still with a hybrid).

A lot going on here to like but it's big, a scaled-down sport hatch version both Hybrid and full EV could be cool.

...and typical Toyota the 60/40 fold-downs present a fairly small pass thru window resembling the Camry's practically useless 60/40 fold-downs, (think VW Passat sedan spacious fold-downs that open up door to door, seat top to rear deck access to the entire rear cabin). Camry fold-downs will not fold down to sit flat and out of the way, they stick up and present a rather intrusive diagonal hump, no doubt Crown will be similar.

 

[neonorchid]

Move over Subaru Outback and Audi A6 Wagon, Crown Station Wagon Crossover, question is will it come to North America???

 

[scott43]

I guess Honda was ahead of its time in 2009. Remember this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Crosstour

What a pile that was... I think they sold 23 of them in all of Canada...

 

[Ogg]

What a pile that was... I think they sold 23 of them in all of Canada...

I still see them around here occasionally. The 2 biggest problems with them were they lost the Honda handling by jacking them up on big tires and they had almost no storage compared to any of the competition.

 

[Ken_R]

I still see them around here occasionally. The 2 biggest problems with them were they lost the Honda handling by jacking them up on big tires and they had almost no storage compared to any of the competition.

Yeah, they made them well. They are reliable just not really a market for them back then. Maybe today?

 

[Ken_R]

That car looks stout. Love it.

 

[scott43]

Yeah, they made them well. They are reliable just not really a market for them back then. Maybe today?

I mean, they're a Honda.. But they were just so impractical. The rear doors were terrible...

 

[scott43]

And if you could live with the rest of the vehicle, you could get them REALLY cheap at one point..

 

[Ogg]

And if you could live with the rest of the vehicle, you could get them REALLY cheap at one point..

That's like the first generation Chevy Avalanche. They were practically giving them away for a while.

 

[Tom K.]

Golf R MPG 23 city 30 highway (automatic)

WRX MPG 19 city 25 highway (CVT)


...I'm looking forward to seeing how Corolla GR stacks up.

You can -- still -- buy a lot of gas for the ~$7,000 price difference, but agree that Subie turbos are not very efficient, especially given the relatively small frontal area of the WRX.

A lot going on here to like but it's big, a scaled-down sport hatch version both Hybrid and full EV could be cool.

...and typical Toyota the 60/40 fold-downs present a fairly small pass thru window resembling the Camry's practically useless 60/40 fold-downs, (think VW Passat sedan spacious fold-downs that open up door to door, seat top to rear deck access to the entire rear cabin). Camry fold-downs will not fold down to sit flat and out of the way, they stick up and present a rather intrusive diagonal hump, no doubt Crown will be similar.

Wow, that is ridonculous! And odd, since the previous Rav4 was an absolute paragon of packaging genius.

When I was shopping for my last new "car" in 2013, I narrowed it down to an X3 and an XC60. The X3 has some real feel virtues, but the fact that it's rear seat folded down only sorta flat-ish was the tiebreaker.

I still think about that every time I put my dog or bicycle in the back. Flat is a must.

Move over Subaru Outback and Audi A6 Wagon, Crown Station Wagon Crossover, question is will it come to North America???

Toyota USA says nope to the wagon. Of course. As does BMW on the new M3 wagon. As does just about everybody about every wagon made.......no for USA.

 

[Ken_R]

That's like the first generation Chevy Avalanche. They were practically giving them away for a while.

Yeah but those are piles of junk

 

[4ster]

Golf R MPG 23 city 30 highway (automatic)

WRX MPG 19 city 25 highway (CVT)


...I'm looking forward to seeing how Corolla GR stacks up.

You can -- still -- buy a lot of gas for the ~$7,000 price difference, but agree that Subie turbos are not very efficient, especially given the relatively small frontal area of the WRX.

Having owned both (manuals) I can attest that I get 4 to 5 mpg better with the Golf R over the WRX. After my mechanic did some kind of injector cleaning I was getting an incredible 31 miles to the gallon on my 64 mile RT springtime ski area commute & half of that is in race mode!

 

[François Pugh]

Subaru turbo motors have never been particularly efficient. My wife's Legacy GT averaged 19.5 mpg(calculated by actual gas records) in the 90k miles she owned it. It got significantly worse mileage when I drove it for some reason.

I can relate; I sometimes get terrible gas mileage. I blame it on battling an unusually strong headwind. Totally coincidentally, traffic is often light enough during these conditions to compensate with a huge reduction in travel time.

 

[Tom K.]

^^^ FP, single-handedly bending the curve of the time/space continuum!

Look out when he gets that Fun Car he's been shopping for!