The driver who struck the two cyclists in Evergreen was captured today and is now in the Jefferson County jail.
Twitter from Jeffco Sheriff
Twitter from Jeffco Sheriff
I bike most days on the real nice bike paths around here. Most cyclists I see lack so much in the way of bike handling, reaction time, and setting expectations; that they are guaranteed death if they ever rode on the road in the front range (like Jefferson County; especially descending Lookout Mountain).Not condoning cars hitting cyclists, but you also need to share the road. Same goes for giving pedestrians space when you are a cycle (see a lot if that too, were the cyclist behave exactly like the car drivers they complain about).
As to seizures, those types are all absent seizures, the person functions sort of but isn't there so to speak. Hard to catch and detect. If they happen while driving depend on circumstances the outcome could actually be extremely bad.
I've seen enough of them to know, so far though no bad outcomes. BTW this individual doesn't drive.
What does your first sentence have to do with this incident? Do you know something about it that isn't in the posted article?Not condoning cars hitting cyclists, but you also need to share the road. Same goes for giving pedestrians space when you are a cycle (see a lot if that too, were the cyclist behave exactly like the car drivers they complain about).
As to seizures, those types are all absent seizures, the person functions sort of but isn't there so to speak. Hard to catch and detect. If they happen while driving depend on circumstances the outcome could actually be extremely bad.
I've seen enough of them to know, so far though no bad outcomes. BTW this individual doesn't drive.
Not about this incident, just a general observation after encountering cyclists of late. This unfortunately puts everyone at risk, drivers, cyclists and pedestrians.What does your first sentence have to do with this incident? Do you know something about it that isn't in the posted article?
I find it to be a peculiar perspective that seems to not understand the dynamic. It is kind of like telling the smallest person in a tug of war that it is unfair if they pull as hard as they can. Bicycles have every right to be on the road that cars do. Expecting bikes to "share the road" seems to ignore the fact that cars are powerful, large and deadly and bikes are not. A lot of the aggression and road rage cyclists deal with stems from exactly this mistaken perspective. You have to throw in a healthy amount of entitlement, poor judgment, and being an asshole too to come up with these events. And I am most definitely not accusing you of that. But that perspective is where it all starts.Not about this incident, just a general observation after encountering cyclists of late. This unfortunately puts everyone at risk, drivers, cyclists and pedestrians.
Ah yes the same goes for the bike pedestrian relationship, in which case the the cyclist are the aggressors (oh wait some poor guy on foot got in my way).I find it to be a peculiar perspective that seems to not understand the dynamic. It is kind of like telling the smallest person in a tug of war that it is unfair if they pull as hard as they can. Bicycles have every right to be on the road that cars do. Expecting bikes to "share the road" seems to ignore the fact that cars are powerful, large and deadly and bikes are not. A lot of the aggression and road rage cyclists deal with stems from exactly this mistaken perspective. You have to throw in a healthy amount of entitlement, poor judgment, and being an asshole too to come up with these events. And I am most definitely not accusing you of that. But that perspective is where it all starts.
I wasn't getting that from your original comment at all. I can't recall any time I ever encountered a pedestrian on the road while on my bike. But I was definitely not threatening to quit skitalk over it lol.Ah yes the same goes for the bike pedestrian relationship, in which case the the cyclist are the aggressors (oh wait some poor guy on foot got in my way).
This is nothing to do about mistaken perspective.
Mcomment was that I see a lot of cyclists playing both sides of the game, putting both pedestrians and themselves at risk just to prove they are right. This no matter whos at fault is a lose lose situation.
I agree some car/truck drivers are a&@$ and some are poor drivers, but forcing the point well thats just stupid.
DON'T be one of those, hate to lose you from the site just to prove your point.
For me, and I expect most roadies, as soon as you have your first "close" call. The vast majority of which actually aren't that close. The question of vulnerability has nothing to do with hearing about cars running into cyclists and everything to do with actually getting out there and riding with cars.When you hear of these life-changing injuries in incidents like these or frequent other road collisions/deaths at what point do cyclists acknowledge there is a vulnerability game they can never win?
At what point does the risk outweigh the reward? For me it already has. We had road bikes for like a week when we first moved to Reno. No way did either Tricia and I feel comfortable riding not only in traffic but longer rual roads where, one, many drives aren't expecting a bike and too many blind turns, and two, if something did happen either a hit and run or if it was truly an accident, what damage could happen to our bodies an can/we recover?When you hear of these life-changing injuries in incidents like these or frequent other road collisions/deaths at what point do cyclists acknowledge there is a vulnerability game they can never win? Having a perp in life imprisonment or the satisfaction of knowing your bikecam evidence nailed someone is scant reward for a rest of life spent in a wheelchair or many years of tough surgeries/rehab.
I'm not saying that victims are in any way to blame nor that people should curtail activities out of fear but I suspect many of us have at least a 1 or 2 degree connection to someone who has been seriously hurt or killed in a vehicle/bike collision. It's not really an answerable question other than in a stand tall and hope for the best sense.