Bring a Trailer and Cars & Bids Appreciation Thread

[dbostedo]

Is the F40 the last truly stripped down factory Ferrari ?

Define "truly stripped down".

 

[James]

Define "truly stripped down".

Look at the ad.

 

[dbostedo]

Look at the ad.

I'm not following... if a newer Ferrari, for instance, has traction control - is that no longer "stripped down"?

 

[scott43]

I'm not following... if a newer Ferrari, for instance, has traction control - is that no longer "stripped down"?

I think generally "stripped-down" means devoid of what purists would call frills. AC delete for instance. Lack of electronic intervention..no radio..door straps instead of handles with armrests. I wouldn't necessarily include electronic aids of ALL kinds.. Few of these cars are actually driven appropriately..and their drivers are probably better off with the assistance quite frankly.

 

[Philpug]

From a fire in Reno a few years back. The owner moved his F40 (and McClaren) to a safer area.

 

[dbostedo]

I think generally "stripped-down" means devoid of what purists would call frills. AC delete for instance. Lack of electronic intervention..no radio..door straps instead of handles with armrests. I wouldn't necessarily include electronic aids of ALL kinds.. Few of these cars are actually driven appropriately..and their drivers are probably better off with the assistance quite frankly.

Yeah... that's what I was wondering. How many frills or electronic aids is no longer "stripped down"? Does it have to be racing spec (i.e. no extra weight/frills of any kind)?

 

[James]

I'm not following... if a newer Ferrari, for instance, has traction control - is that no longer "stripped down"?

Uuggh…yes, you’re following.
You left out the “truly” modifier of “stripped down”.

Years ago, like late 80’s, I got a (slow) ride in a 1963 (?) Ferrari GTO. I was shocked how stripped it was. The doors weighed almost nothing, maybe had a strap to close it or you grabbed the edge of some aluminum, no real windows etc. Did have a fire suppression system inside the cabin. Radio? That’s the engine noise. At that time, you added fiberglass fender liners so little stones on the road wouldn’t dent the body work. Don’t know what they do now, as that car is well over $1million.

 

[dbostedo]

Uuggh…yes, you’re following.
You left out the “truly” modifier of “stripped down”.

OK, maybe I've caught up. I didn't get how the ad was helping define stripped down.

In any case, to circle back around, would the Ferrari F50 be "truly stripped down"? If so then that's at least one Ferrari newer than the F40 that is.

 

[scott43]

No sound deadener, extraneous plastic, etc. I believe the f50 was more user friendly and "luxurious". It's a blurry line. Everyone has their own window...

 

[dbostedo]

I believe the f50 was more user friendly and "luxurious".

No, it wasn't - at least not really luxurious. It may have been a bit more user friendly, but it was pretty close to an F1 car made street legal... including the engine. Not a lot of features or aids... though it DID have AC. Here's the interior:

 

[scott43]

No, it wasn't. It was pretty close to an F1 car made street legal... including the engine. Not a lot of features or aids... though it DID have AC. Here's the interior:

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Well, arguable. The F40 has very little int he way of interior door panels, the F50 actually has an armrest. But yeah, point taken..neither is "luxurious". As I say, it's a blurry line. The Porsche 911 RSR was pretty stripped as well.

 

[scott43]

Another beauty..many of those 60's factory experimentals were like this..factory delete heater, rear seat, radio..plexiglass instead of plastic for everything but the windshield, aluminum bumpers, hood... That's a stripper..

 

[James]

In any case, to circle back around, would the Ferrari F50 be "truly stripped down"? If so then that's at least one Ferrari newer than the F40 that is.

Well now it’s a conversation. (Btw, I added to my post above) Off hand, I’m not enough of a Ferrari cognoscenti to know. The F40’s interior is pretty much of a turd, so it probably wins on the “what is this refined interior nonsense? Are you driving or going to the theater?” The F50 is definitely more refined. Both have ac or you’d be in a sweat suit and miserable and would need a camelback. So there is that concession.

F40 is substantially faster. It has a mildly clunky 80’s look, that’s a no nonsense “let’s get it on”. The F-50 has a normally aspirated V-12, which is always a favorite for the sound. More refined front and styling in general, esp the lights. I find the wing oddly less refined from some angles. The F40 embraces its clunkiness better. The F50 is much rarer.

There’s no Abs on either, so no torque vectoring or traction control. Both require a left foot and right hand to shift. From watching the vid below, sounds like the F40 could use some sort of electronic management of boost to handle the enormous piling on of power, esp in the wet. But that’s up to you.

Ironically, he says the F40 makes a better grocery getter because you can drive it and stay out of major boost and it’s like “a normal car”. The V-12 apparently needs too many revs to be a grocery getter.

 

[dbostedo]

Debated whether to post this here or in Fun Car thread.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1...email&utm_campaign=2022-05-18#comment-8605343

Circling back to this. the F40 was not sold.

 

[James]

Circling back to this. the F40 was not sold.

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So they didn’t accept $1.96 million?

 

[dbostedo]

So they didn’t accept $1.96 million?

Correct. The reserve was set higher than that by the seller. If the car doesn't meet the reserve, no one gets to buy it, and the reserve is never published.

In in-person auctions, sometimes if it's close they'll remove the reserve in real-time. Or if it's close, sometimes the seller and buyer will talk afterward and it will still sell. (Say, for instance, the reserve was $1M, and the potential buyer bid it to a high of $990K. The seller may say, "hey, if you go to $1M, you can have it", and sell it that way.)

I'm not sure if either of those things can happen on BaT.

 

[cantunamunch]

Well, arguable. The F40 has very little int he way of interior door panels, the F50 actually has an armrest. But yeah, point taken..neither is "luxurious". As I say, it's a blurry line. The Porsche 911 RSR was pretty stripped as well.

Hehe - a 627kg 911 - the drillium has drillium in it:

 

[James]

Hehe - a 627kg 911 - the drillium has drillium in it:

Fascinating. Interested to see how he’ll lose 28kgs from there.

 

[doc]

Some Skitalker need to bid on this:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2...e=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022-05-30

 

[scott43]

Some Skitalker need to bid on this:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2...e=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022-05-30

I would but they're already over $5k...