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Black Dog

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Maybe they should put Casey Puckett back on the "A" team?
Ted was 15th fastest.....



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Casey Puckett Snowmass, CO Male 45-49 Yellow 17.78 0.01 Platinum
Daron Rahlves Sugar Bowl, CA Male 40-44 Yellow 18.09 1.74 Platinum
River Radamus Edwards, CO Male 18-20 Yellow 18.19 2.31 Platinum
Sean Higgins Darien, CT Male 35-39 Yellow 18.57 4.44 Platinum
Marco Sullivan Tahoe City, CA Male 35-39 Yellow 18.68 5.06 Platinum
Tommy Biesmeyer Keene, NY Male 21-29 Yellow 18.83 5.91 Platinum
Steven Jones Dillon, CO Male 50-54 Yellow 18.88 6.19 Platinum
Franz Fuchsberger Edwards, CO Male 55-59 Yellow 19.06 7.20 Platinum
Nicola Rountree Tryon, NC Female 14-15 Yellow 19.07 7.26 Platinum
Jakub Marusarz Dillon, CO Male 14-15 Yellow 19.17 7.82 Platinum
Aj Hurt Squaw VAlley, CA Male 16-17 Yellow 19.21 8.04 Platinum
Tommy Ford Geneva, NY Male 21-29 Yellow 19.35 8.83 Platinum
Claire Abbe Park City, UT Female 30-34 Yellow 19.35 8.83 Platinum
Robert Saunders Park City, UT Male 35-39 Yellow 19.39 9.06 Platinum
Ted Ligety Park City, UT Male 30-34 Yellow 19.44 9.34 Platinum
Keely Cashman Pinecrest, CA Female 18-20 Yellow 19.48 9.56 Platinum
Anna Rodli Dillon, CO Female 14-15 Yellow 19.48 9.56 Platinum
Troy Watts Breckenridge, CO Male 50-54 Yellow 19.50 9.67 Platinum
James Stanton Rochester, MI Male 21-29 Yellow 19.52 9.79 D* Platinum
Ryan Fuller Minnetonka, MN Male 40-44 Yellow 19.57 10.07 Platinum
Alice McKennis Glenwood Springs, CO Female 21-29 Yellow 19.57 10.07 Platinum
Andrew Weibrecht Lake Placid, NY Male 30-34 Yellow 19.64 10.46 Gold
Jason Roy Aspen, CO Male 45-49 Yellow 19.81 11.42 Platinum
Kristina Koznick Lake Placid, NY Female 40-44 Yellow 19.99 12.43 Platinum
Olyvia Snyder Sum Female 14-15 Yellow 20.01 12.54 Platinum
Bryan Feltz Barneveld, WI Male 40-44 Yellow 20.08 12.94 Platinum
Katie Hansien Park City, UT Female 18-20 Yellow 20.30 14.17 Platinum
Matt Fox Copper Mtn., CO Male 50-54 Yellow 20.39 14.68 Platinum
Mike Braun Male 55-59 Yellow 20.41 14.79 Platinum
Bill Madsen Snowmass Village, CO Male 50-54 Yellow 20.43 14.90 Platinum
Phineas Smith Dillon, CO Male 14-15 Yellow 20.69 16.37 Gold
Abby Schierholz St. Louis, MO Female 14-15 Yellow 20.70 16.42 Platinum
Kevin Ward Silverthorne, CO Male 60-64 Yellow 20.89 17.49 Platinum
Jeff Gleason Schofield, WI Male 50-54 Yellow 20.94 17.77 Gold
Mike Trapp Columbus, OH Male 21-29 Yellow 21.06 18.45 S* Platinum
Tim Cleary Chaska, MN Male 55-59 Yellow 21.12 18.79 Gold
Tim Schneider Wausau, WI Male 35-39 Yellow 21.30 19.80 Silver
Gavin Masters Denver, CO Male 14-15 Yellow 21.35 20.08 Gold
Madalyn Cummings Hamburg, NY Female 12-13 Yellow 21.52 21.03 Platinum
Andrew Kurka Palmer, AK Yellow 21.99 23.68 C* ?
Mark Mirviss Olympic Valley, CA Male 60-64 Yellow 22.12 24.41 Gold
Olivia Cummings Hamburg, NY Female 8-9 Yellow 22.39 25.93 Platinum
Carl Boyhan Monroe, NY Male 55-59 Yellow 22.57 26.94 Silver
Kevin Burton Male 35-39 Yellow 23.08 29.81 E* Platinum
Laurie Stephens Wenham, MA Female 30-34 Yellow 24.35 36.95 C* Platinum
Xavier Corbin Danbury, NH Male 6-7 Yellow 32.32 81.78 Silver
Drake Masters Georgetown, CO Male 1-5 Yellow 32.66 83.69 Gold
Jerret Goldberg Boston, MA Male 21-29 Yellow DNF
George Steffy Lyme, NH Male 18-20 Yellow 0
Florian Szwebel Winter Park, CO Male 21-29 Yellow 0
Jett Seymour Steamboat Springs, CO Male 18-20 Yellow DNF
Garret Driller Tahoe City, CA Male 21-29 Yellow DNF

D = Adaptive Alpine: Standing (-30)
S = Snowboard (-20)
C = Adaptive Alpine: Sitting (-30)
E = Adaptive Alpine: Visual Impairment (-45)
 

4ster

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I was involved with NASTAR for a number of years & traveled to the Pacesetter trials early every season. I recognize more than a few of the names on that list & occasionally I would beat people I shouldn't have ;) . The short, usually flat NASTAR courses are a different kind of racing. Even then I would have expected Ligety to clean up? Looked like bad weather & in a course like that a gust of wind can make a huge difference, it is a drag/drag race.
Not surprised to see Rahlves & Puckett up there though, experience counts for a lot.
 

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Nicola Roundtree is a 14 year old girl from North Carolina.
She was the fastest girl and finished 9th.
Ted was 15th or so.
I bet we hear her name again.
Ted, smoked by a 14 yo girl on any course is simply amazing.
Oh the shame....

Nicola Rountree-Wiliams is a first year U16 at Ski and Snowboard Club Vail. Her family relocated from NC to Vail two years ago, so that she could chase the dream. She's a very good 14 year old. For sure. Time will tell.

Please folks, this was not real racing for ANYBODY in a USST uniform. Not at all. Ligety lost to one of his childhood buddies by .05 seconds. While Ted has been toiling away on the WC, he has been to college, law school and practices law in Park City. Pretty sure Ted sort of let him beat him. I know 17 of the top 25 finishers. Yeah, please. as I said earlier. No. Just No.

I am glad that people love NASTAR, and really enjoy it. Please don't take this event with anything other than a huge grain of salt as far as the USST crew is concerned!

Yeah Fuxi! Gotta love Fuxi. Based on Fuxi's racing in the Vail town league, he's not a world beater! But damn, he has the Fuxi Flash working. Good man!
 

Tony S

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Yeah Fuxi! Gotta love Fuxi. Based on Fuxi's racing in the Vail town league, he's not a world beater! But damn, he has the Fuxi Flash working. Good man!

And ... He helps me fly the Italian colors. :D

Not that I was ever cut out to be a suit. ogwink

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Nicola Rountree-Wiliams is a first year U16 at Ski and Snowboard Club Vail. Her family relocated from NC to Vail two years ago, so that she could chase the dream. She's a very good 14 year old. For sure. Time will tell.

Please folks, this was not real racing for ANYBODY in a USST uniform. Not at all. Ligety lost to one of his childhood buddies by .05 seconds. While Ted has been toiling away on the WC, he has been to college, law school and practices law in Park City. Pretty sure Ted sort of let him beat him. I know 17 of the top 25 finishers. Yeah, please. as I said earlier. No. Just No.

I am glad that people love NASTAR, and really enjoy it. Please don't take this event with anything other than a huge grain of salt as far as the USST crew is concerned!

Yeah Fuxi! Gotta love Fuxi. Based on Fuxi's racing in the Vail town league, he's not a world beater! But damn, he has the Fuxi Flash working. Good man!

Your disdain for NASTAR is palpable.
Anything that has a start and a finish is racing.
It certainly isn't World Cup and
it takes technique that is very different from balls out courses.
It is not scary but it is not easy at all to run well.

Muleski.....Go ahead, tell me that you really wouldn't care if a 14 yo girl smoked you on a NASTAR course.........:roflmao:
Ted is over and he should retire.
 

Muleski

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Your disdain for NASTAR is palpable.
Anything that has a start and a finish is racing.
It certainly isn't World Cup and
it takes technique that is very different from balls out courses.
It is not scary but it is not easy at all to run well.

Muleski.....Go ahead, tell me that you really wouldn't care if a 14 yo girl smoked you on a NASTAR course.........:roflmao:
Ted is over and he should retire.

I don't have any disdain for NASTAR. None at all. I think it's a great program.

I'm just realizing what this event was, at least for the USST participants. No more, no less.

BTW, the kids in the event won't be spending much time in a NASTAR course. That would not be part of Nicola's program, nor has it been since moving to SSCV.

Didn't mean to offend anybody. Believe what you'd like. I obviously struck a nerve.

I suspect that anybody skiing at the WC level could "probably" adapt to whatever unique technique and tactics are required to race down a NASTAR course.

Not sure I would judge Ligety's career status based on this! if some of you care to, great. Yes. Perhaps Casey should be an Olympian for the sixth time.

If more people talk about ski racing, whatever their passion, that's good. I also am aware that in some parts of the country NASTAR is very big, and a great option. Others, not quite as much.
 
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crgildart

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I don't have any disdain for NASTAR. None at all. I think it's a great program.

I'm just realizing what this event was, at least for the USST participants. No more, no less.

BTW, the kids in the event won't be spending much time in a NASTAR course. That would not be part of Nicola's program, nor has it been since moving to SSCV.
Might not be next year, but I can all but guarantee it has been a part of her program for the past 5 years. Free NASTAR appears to be a part of the ski resort race team package around here. When my son and I sign up and race there are usually several, sometimes dozens of the kids with race team jackets lined up to run the gates. The start box guy/gal always waives the "paying customers" up to the front of the line and the race team kids only run when there's no one else who paid cash waiting to run.

From what I can tell, Sugar Mountain has a pretty good race program. Not sure about Beech or Appalachian, but they do have teams as well..
 
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Just suggesting, with a bit of insight, that when they relocated to Vail, enrolled her in VSSA, and SSCV, in the late summer of 2016, that put an end to her NASTAR days for the foreseeable future.

I'm guessing that Kirk Dwyer's presence as the executive director at SSCV is playing a large part in other families making this same type of choice. He, being the former headmaster at Burke, and MS's coach.

SSCV has had remarkable results in the U14 and U16 ranks recently. People who feel that's an important factor in looking at options {and who have a large budget}, are moving there.

Just saying. Many ways to expose kids to racing, and many dictated by location. This family evidently felt that moving to Vail was important. Much as others have. Her program will be a change, for sure.

As I say, the more kids {and adults} into the sport, the better. Everywhere.

Five of the seven girls representing the USA at the Seven Nations Cup, which is the equivalent of U16 worlds were SSCV kids last winter. I think they also swept the top 10 spots in the Rocky Central region finals, pre-U16 Nationals. They train on what most think is the best venue in the country, start full time on snow in 5th grade.

So, that's, I bet, why they have moved with her. Their opinion is likely that a bunch of NASTAR laps are not what she needs moving forward.

NASTAR is a great program. I hope the USSSA does a great job running it. NASTAR is not part of the plan for developing elite ski racers. And I am assuming that some people, be they parents, coaches, etc. think this girl has great potential.

Not to be overlooked is the marketing/recruiting potential if they turn a kid from NC into one of the country's best as, say a U16. SSCV's mission is to be the best alpine club in the world. Lofty? Yes.

Arms race fully on. Not endorsing it, etc. just trying to paint a factual picture.

In my experience, evaluating race programs is not easy. Many, many factors, and it all depends on the child. Along with peers, coaches, teachers....and obviously family.

Big decision for them. Hope it's a great one for them all!
 

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NASTAR is its own discipline and the technique required is not useful in a real GS course.
I actually think skiing a lot of NASTAR is bad for the development of a GS racer.
It sure can be fun though as a way to get in course time without much traveling.
 

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Just to add data to Muleski's comments about Nicola's NASTAR regiment if you go to the NASTAR page you will see she only raced the pacesetter event last season. Two seasons ago she did run a handful of days in March but it is quite clear she no longer does that in a regular basis, not since she was 12..
 

trailtrimmer

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NASTAR is its own discipline and the technique required is not useful in a real GS course.
I actually think skiing a lot of NASTAR is bad for the development of a GS racer.
It sure can be fun though as a way to get in course time without much traveling.

It's way harder transitioning to steeper, faster courses after NASTAR. I just wish there were more adult clinics available on terrain like smooth sailing and valley.
 

Burton

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A dust up over NASTAR?? Hoo-wee, we've got to get out on the slopes, guys.

I ran a course last year for the first time in maybe 30 years. They gave me a medal! My kids got medals, too. We all had fun. In my mind, NASTAR is just another attraction on a mountain, let's people challenge their buddies (or kids!) and get a time, and everyone gets a memento to throw in their boot bag. Ski team kids run NASTAR for the same reason (or at least I did when I was a junior racer). Training courses don't have timing equipment (almost always) so at lunch or after practice racers make a lap on the NASTAR course for bragging rights so long as it is free. Good times all around. NASTAR is a nice introduction to racing, but it most definitely is not part of any development program as far as I've ever seen. I'm just imagining a kid training in NASTAR courses and then going to USSA race ... "Coach, why was it so-ooo long??!"

And I saw the video of the start of the pacesetter trials. Guys like Ligety were hamming it up, no suits, just having fun ribbing each other about who was going to win. I'd venture to guess the fastest skiers are not exactly encouraged to hammer it, as that could throw off the handicapping.
 

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I think people take too hard a look at NASTAR. It's just a fun easy way to get some timed runs, by itself it isn't gonna get you to the Word Cup (or anywhere close to it) but it might lead to an interest in real racing. We went to our first NASTAR Nationals at Beaver Creek and there were a bunch of kids lining up for starts while wearing various team parkas, suits, gear, etc. I thought they'd be by far the fastest in their age groups. Surprise, they weren't always Which shows one thing, on any given race course, someone's gonna be faster than you thought possible.
 

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