Comparison Review 2023 Salomon/Atomic/Armada Bindings

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MODELTOE
HEIGHT
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HEEL
HEIGHT
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SETTING RANGEWEIGHT (g/pr)STANDARD BRAKE SIZES (mm)OPTIONAL BRAKE SIZES (mm)SOLE COMPATIBILITY
L101416.53-10172080, 9070, 100, 115, 130DIN
Z10/Colt 101416.53-10194080, 9070, 100, 115, 130DIN
Colt 121416.54-12210080, 9070, 100, 115, 130DIN
Stage GW 111826.53.5-11172080, 90, 100, 115DIN, GripWalk
Warden MNC 112126.53.5-11199090, 100, 115DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
Warden MNC 132124.54-13226090, 100, 115, 130DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
Strive 14 GW2124.55-14196090, 100, 115DIN, GripWalk
Strive 16 GW2124.57-16222090, 100, 115, 130DIN, GripWalk
STH2 MNC 162124.57-16245090, 100, 115, 130DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
Strive GW 11 (demo)2124.53.5-11220090, 100, 115DIN, GripWalk
Strive GW 13 (demo)2124.54.5-13236090, 100, 115DIN, GripWalk
Warden MNC 13 DT (demo)2730.55-13268090, 100, 115, 13080DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
Note: All specs are based on information available at time of publishing and subject to change. Weights vary from brand to brand. Some of these bindings might be branded as Stöckli.


Armada/Atomic/Salomon L10/Z10/Colt
  • Pluses: 3-10 models are now being classified as a Junior Binding. Lightweight, multidirectional toe release
  • Minuses: Dated design, should be limited to skis under 90mm, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Salomon color options: Black/White
  • Armada color options: Black
  • Atomic color option: Red/Black
  • Others to consider: Look NX 11 GW; Marker Squire 10, 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack 11 GW
Atomic/Salomon Stage GW 11
  • Pluses: All New Design Lightweight, multidirectional toe release, easy step in heel
  • Minuses: Designed for lighter skiers
  • Salomon color options: Black, White
  • Atomic color options: Black/Smoke, White/Grey
  • Others to consider: Look NX 11 GW, NX 12 Dual; Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack 11 GW
Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 11
  • Pluses: Beefy toe & heel yet still lightweight, responsive return to center.
  • Minuses: Slight delta changes when going to GripWalk/AT, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Salomon color options: Black Mat, Copenhagen Blue, Silver/Black, Light Green
  • Atomic color options: Black/Gold, Black/Red, White/Berry, White
  • Armada color options: Black
  • Others to consider: Look NX 11 GW, NX 12 GW; Marker Squire 11 ID; Tyrolia Attack 11 GW; Tyrolia Attack2 12 GW
Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13
  • Pluses: Quicker return to center than STH2, 28mm adjustment range
  • Minuses: Delta changes when going to WTR or GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Salomon color options: Black Mat, Otter
  • Atomic color options: Black/Gold, Black/Red, White/Black
  • Armada color options: Black
  • Others to consider: Armada/Atomic/Salomon Strive 14 GW; Look SPX 12 Dual, Pivot 12 GW, Pivot 14 GW; Marker Griffon 13 ID; Tyrolia Attack 14 GW, Attack 14 MN
Armada/Atomic/Salomon Strive 14 GW
  • Pluses: Low center of gravity, auto AFD adjustment
  • Minuses: Narrow heel screws from Warden 11 heel
  • Salomon color options: Black, Peacock Iridescent, Metal
  • Atomic color options: Black/Met. Blue, Black/Gunmetal
  • Armada color options: Black/Sand
  • Others to consider: Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden 13, Look SPX 12 GW, Pivot 12 GW, Pivot 14 GW; Marker Griffon 13 ID; Tyrolia Attack 14 GW
Armada/Atomic/Salomon Strive 16 GW
  • Pluses: Low center of gravity, auto AFD adjustment
  • Minuses: No micro adjustments like Sth2 toe
  • Salomon color options: Black, Peacock Iridescent
  • Atomic color options: Black/Met. Blue
  • Armada color options: Black
  • Others to consider: Armada/Atomic/Salomon Sth2 MNC 16; Look Pivot 15 GW; Marker Jester 16 ID, Jester 18 Pro; Tyrolia Attack 17 GW
Armada/Atomic/Salomon STH2 MNC 16
  • Pluses: Now MNC compatible. Customizable Transfer Switch. Most elasticity in the toe; holds you in from top of boot, a part that gets no wear; micro wing adjustments and toe height for solid power transmission; metal toe plate
  • Minuses: Slight delta changes when going to WTR and GripWalk, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Salomon color options: Red
  • Atomic color options: Black/Gold
  • Armada color options: Black
  • Others to consider: Armada/Atomic/Salomon Strive 16 GW; Look Pivot 15 GW; Marker Jester 16 ID, Jester 18 Pro; Tyrolia Attack 17 GW
Demo Bindings

Atomic/Salomon Strive 11 GW Demo

  • Adjustment range: 253-376 mm
  • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
  • Sole compatibility: DIN, GripWalk
  • Pluses: Stand height identical to retail counterpart, low center of gravity
  • Minuses: First year design
  • Salomon/Armada color options: Black
  • Atomic color options: Black/Smoke, Black/White
  • Others to consider: Look NX 12 Konect; Marker Squire 11 D; Tyrolia Attack2 11 AT Demo
Atomic/Salomon Strive 13 GW Demo
  • Adjustment range: 253-376 mm
  • Toolless length adjustment: Yes
  • Sole compatibility: DIN, GripWalk
  • Pluses: Stand height identical to retail counterpart, low center of gravity
  • Minuses: First year design
  • Color options: Black
  • Others to consider: Look SPX 12 Konect, Metrix; Marker Griffon 13 D; Tyrolia Attack 14 AT Demo

Armada/Atomic/Salomon Warden MNC 13 Demo
  • Adjustment range: 262-382 mm
  • Toolless length adjustment: Yes, w/manual AFD
  • Sole compatibility: DIN, WTR, GripWalk, AT
  • Pluses: Full MNC
  • Minuses: Slight delta changes from sole to sole, no Pozi adjustment for heel
  • Color options: Black
  • Others to consider: Marker Griffon 13 D; Tyrolia Attack 14 AT Demo
 

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What toe pattern does the new Strive have? I would assume Warden 11 or Warden 13 and not STH.
 

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There's so much good information here I feel guilty asking for more; but I'm wondering about heel elasticity. The Strive 14 product page boasts about "an unrivaled 47mm of elasticity"— but I think they only mean toe elasticity. Is there a way to find out/publish figures on toe and heel elasticity?

On a technical side note, I know why elasticity is important to prevent pre-release, but I'm wondering if having more toe elasticity or more heel elasticity is more important. Am I going to feel like I'm missing out on my heel elasticity if I move from the Pivot 14 to the Strive 14? I've actually already decided to make that move, but this is the tradeoff I'm thinking about the most.
 
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There's so much good information here I feel guilty asking for more; but I'm wondering about heel elasticity. The Strive 14 product page boasts about "an unrivaled 47mm of elasticity"— but I think they only mean toe elasticity. Is there a way to find out/publish figures on toe and heel elasticity?
Yes, the toe elasticity is 43mm and the heel is 16mm.
On a technical side note, I know why elasticity is important to prevent pre-release, but I'm wondering if having more toe elasticity or more heel elasticity is more important. Am I going to feel like I'm missing out on my heel elasticity if I move from the Pivot 14 to the Strive 14? I've actually already decided to make that move, but this is the tradeoff I'm thinking about the most.
I like elasticity in toe and heel. Both the Strive and Pivot have a significant amount of travel and honestly I wouldn't change from to the other based just on a few mm of travel numbers.
 

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What a great compilation of important specs all in one place. Any questions about any of these should link here.
 

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Additional formation for AmerSports bindings

bsl adjustment
Warden 11 & 13 MN: 28 mm
STH2 16 MN: 28 mm
S/L Shift 10 & 13: 30 mm
Strive 16 MN: 28 mm
MTN touring bindings: 30 mm
 

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So should I get a Warden 13 or new Strive 14 bindings on new 88 wide skis? Have liked both the Warden and STH 2 13 in the past.
 

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If I am reading this correctly the warden and the strive have the same stack height. i am assuming it if the lower center of gravity that makes the strive feel like you are lower. Is that correct?
 
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If I am reading this correctly the warden and the strive have the same stack height. i am assuming it if the lower center of gravity that makes the strive feel like you are lower. Is that correct?
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Thanks, I saw that, chart is a little confusing, stand height appears to be 19mm on all of the bindings and the graph reference the COG.
 
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Thanks, I saw that, chart is a little confusing, stand height appears to be 19mm on all of the bindings and the graph reference the COG.
Yes the lighter weight and sugnificant lower Center of Gravity (COG) is what differs the Strive from the Sth2 and the longitudinally spring which allows more elasticity differs it from the Warden.
 

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Sorry maybe I’m an idiot but if your boot sole is standing 19mm above the ski surface in each binding, isn’t the COG the same for each? I’m not following how your centre of gravity differs when you’re being held an identical height from the ski. Can anyone explain?

Pk wait got it. There’s no change to the skiers centre of mass. It’s the same. It’s a change to the COM of the binding itself.
 
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Sorry maybe I’m an idiot but if your boot sole is standing 19mm above the ski surface in each binding, isn’t the COG the same for each? I’m not following how your centre of gravity differs when you’re being held an identical height from the ski. Can anyone explain?
i think it’s the bindings COG, not anything else. @Philpug can you shed more light on this? I can’t get the video to load.
 
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i think it’s the bindings COG, not anything else. @Philpug can you shed more light on this? I can’t get the video to load.
Thanks yes that seems to be the case.

My gut feel is this is very much an incremental change. I doubt frankly as an average Joe advanced recreational skier I‘d notice the difference. I’d be thinking I’d notice the weight reduction far more than a small change in COM for the binding. But the proof will be in the pudding.
 
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I doubt frankly as an average Joe advanced recreational skier I‘d notice the difference.
About as much as Joe, the average skier is going to notice the rotational weight or short mount distance of a Pivot or the fast return to center of a lateral spring Royal binding or the Freeflex of a Tyrolia. These are attributes that are subtle that you might not notice until you switch away from it.
 

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These are attributes that are subtle that you might not notice until you switch away from it.

@BMC - For better or worse I found myself installing the same binding on all our skis. I think it’s really just a mental thing, but I like the consistency in feel.
 

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The big difference between the Strive and the Warden seems to be in the demo binding heights: the Strive demo is at the same height as the fixed Strive that most folks would end up with, while the Warden demo is higher than the fixed, meaning that when you demo things won't necessarily feel the same as what you end up with if you buy.
 
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