2022 Völkl Deacon 72 Master

[Nobody]

My personal perception of what lenght I would get if I could:
Deacon Master 72, 173 cm
Deacon Master 76, 176 cm

Based on my observations and discussions with people who have skied the two models and with whom I have skied these past winters.
To put things in perspective...
Personl skis, most used:
-Nordica HOT ROD Top Fuel, 78mm waist, 178cm, R18.Traditional full camber, I think of them as "semi" twin tip (tail more upturned and rounded than traditional directional skis, but not fully as in a Twin Tip ski)
-Voelkl Race Tiger GS "standard shop model" (modified with Marker Piston plate instead of R Motion 2) 175 cm, R18, tip rocker
-Voelkl Gotama (MY 2013,106 mm waisted) 186 cm, twin tip tip&tail rocker (IIRC)
-Blizzard WRC, R21, 186 cm
-Voelkl Race Tiger, R25, 183 cm.

 

[silverback]

I bought a pair of 2020 176 Deacon 76 Pros (the version called the Pro with the UVO on the tips) this spring. I don't know but I'm guessing they perform similarly to the Master with the carbon tips. I've only had a few days on them but here is my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

I originally wanted the longer 181cm length and just before pulling the trigger at Corbetts spring sale found a pair of almost new 176s at a give away price so I grabbed them. I had them tuned .7/3 before skiing them.

I like them quite a bit so far but still think I would prefer the 181. The last time I skied them I ran into a friend and skied a half dozen runs with him his friend (both really good and fast skiers). He was on 184 Peak 88s and I think his buddy was on 185 Stockli Laser GS's. I was out gunned and eventually needed to peal off before I got hurt. The skis just didn't have the top end and were folding up on me a bit on the roughed up but fast/soft groomers. If I was skiing my 183 MX83's, I think I could have kept up.

That being said, on my own or with normal, fairly fast friends, the 176s ski really nice. They are super easy to ski and are very smooth with a sort of playful personality.

I'm 5'10", 170lbs.

 

[Brian Finch]

I bought a pair of 2020 176 Deacon 76 Pros (the version called the Pro with the UVO on the tips) this spring. I don't know but I'm guessing they perform similarly to the Master with the carbon tips. I've only had a few days on them but here is my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

I originally wanted the longer 181cm length and just before pulling the trigger at Corbetts spring sale found a pair of almost new 176s at a give away price so I grabbed them. I had them tuned .7/3 before skiing them.

I like them quite a bit so far but still think I would prefer the 181. The last time I skied them I ran into a friend and skied a half dozen runs with him his friend (both really good and fast skiers). He was on 184 Peak 88s and I think his buddy was on 185 Stockli Laser GS's. I was out gunned and eventually needed to peal off before I got hurt. The skis just didn't have the top end and were folding up on me a bit on the roughed up but fast/soft groomers. If I was skiing my 183 MX83's, I think I could have kept up.

That being said, on my own or with normal, fairly fast friends, the 176s ski really nice. They are super easy to ski and are very smooth with a sort of playful personality.

I'm 5'10", 170lbs.

That’s super interesting, thanks. I found the MX83 to be quite soft,

I’m 145 pounds / 65 kilos & want a ski to really carve back up the hill & hip drag, not go 70 mph down the hill. Thinking the 172 is the way to go. Thoughts?

 

[Paul Frede]

That’s super interesting, thanks. I found the MX83 to be quite soft,

I’m 145 pounds / 65 kilos & want a ski to really carve back up the hill & hip drag, not go 70 mph down the hill. Thinking the 172 is the way to go. Thoughts?

Or next years 168cm

 

[Nobody]

Oh, yes, I forgot my personal stats... 75ish Kg (that makes roughly 165 lbs, right?) and 174ish cm short (that should be around 5'8"...)

 

[Tony S]

Or next years 168cm

 

[Brian Finch]

Or next years 168cm

What’s the sizing for next season?

 

[François Pugh]

That’s super interesting, thanks. I found the MX83 to be quite soft,

I’m 145 pounds / 65 kilos & want a ski to really carve back up the hill & hip drag, not go 70 mph down the hill. Thinking the 172 is the way to go. Thoughts?

From experience, I can tell you my ancient Fischer SC (the year just before Fischer brought back the hole in the tip) 165 cm with 13 m radius would be great at between 30 and 50 mph, but way too stiff for anything less than 15 mph. The newer ones might be softer; the trend is to make skis more "accessible" as time goes on.

On paper the Stockli SC is what you're looking for.

 

[Nobody]

What’s the sizing for next season?

Found on a French (www.skipass.com) site, 168, 173 and 178. So Voelkl has added the 168.
According to that same site, between the model 2023 and the model 2024 in the same lenght of 173 there is a reduction in turn radius of about one meter, from 16,4 to 15,4...wondering....

 

[Brian Finch]

Found on a French (www.skipass.com) site, 168, 173 and 178. So Voelkl has added the 168.
According to that same site, between the model 2023 and the model 2024 in the same lenght of 173 there is a reduction in turn radius of about one meter, from 16,4 to 15,4...wondering....

Hmmm…

165 / 12 m - too quick to lay em fully over… rebounds like an inflatable punch’n bag: return to center ASAP.

175 / 16m - I’m on Reilly’s skis here & the next frame I fold em; too soft- he doesn’t use a plate & is smaller / lighter than myself.

^Same skis - what I’m after.

^184 / 17m Kendo - too long for me to fully hip drag without an open hill.

 

[GregK]

Having owned the 178cm Deacon 72 Master, it’s definitely not a demanding ski, it’s just heavy with the Piston Plate and X-Comp bindings. Thrives on more moderate speeds, lots of pop out of a turn and initiates turns quickly. Definitely would not be “too much ski” for an advancing intermediate or higher if sized right.
The Deacon 76 Master has the same build but a bit wider along with a longer turning radius so it’s the choice if you wanted something closer to GS type speeds and turn shapes.

See they added a shorter length on the Master versions for 24 but that site is just listing the 173cm Deacon Master 72 15.4m turn radius in their 22 and 24 specs and the longer 178cm 16.4m turn in 23 specs. The ski hasn’t changed.

Another cause for Deacon 72 and 76 confusion is the addition of the standard/non Master versions last year that are offered in the same longer lengths as the Masters but more shorter length options too.
The standard versions have a lighter wood core, RMotion demo bindings instead of the Piston Plate and X-Comp bindings but the same dimensions, turn radius and race base.
So those wanting an excellent upgrade from a Deacon 79 or 80, the standard Deacon 72 or 76 would be a great option. Get better bindings, core material, metal rather than fibreglass frame, faster bases, more substantial flex pattern and of course being faster edge to edge. Just pick your desired turn radius if you want the 72 or 76 width model.

 

[Paul Frede]

What’s the sizing for next season?

168, 173, 178

 

[Tony S]

175 / 16m - I’m on Reilly’s skis here & the next frame I fold em; too soft- he doesn’t use a plate & is smaller / lighter than myself.

Can you be more specific about exactly what "Reilly's skis" were in that instance? Or is that privileged info?

 

[Nobody]

After mulling it over for a couple of days, 168 seems a good compromise, close enough to a "real" SL ski, without being one, and so, hopefully, a bit more flexible in every day situations, obviously on groomers only.
That might be the better choice to spread out a Deacon Master quiver. instead of the 72/173 , E.g.
72 Master in 168
76 Master in 17* (I'd prefer 176 but 178 would be good too)
For everyday on-groomers use

*
According to the French site I linked above, the 2024 Master 76 version is available in 168 173 178 also, which is strange, I hope in an error...as the 2023 was offered in 176/181
According to the 2023 Voelkl site, for the 2023 76, there is also a 171c cm version, but I have never heard of it
According to a Polish site, the 2024 Deacon Master 76 is offered in 171/176/178
@Philpug...I think we need a reliable preview of the 2024 Deacon series made by Skitalk ( ;-) ) once available.

 

[GregK]

According to the French site I linked above, the 2024 Master 76 version is available in 168 173 178 also, which is strange, I hope in an error...as the 2023 was offered in 176/181
According to the 2023 Voelkl site, for the 2023 76, there is also a 171c cm version, but I have never heard of it
According to a Polish site, the 2024 Deacon Master 76 is offered in 171/176/178

I’d think they are mixing up the 72 and 76 Master sizing.
I bet they are just adding the shorter 168cm to the existing 173cm and 178cm sizes to the Deacon Master 72 and the adding the 171cm length to the existing 176cm and 181cm Deacon 76 Master. 5cm length steps.
Those shorter lengths were available this year in the standard/non Master versions.

 

[Brian Finch]

Can you be more specific about exactly what "Reilly's skis" were in that instance? Or is that privileged info?

It’s an Original+ Mod 6 w an ash core in a 175cm (iirc) w a tyrolia 12 DIN clamp, no plate.

 

[Nobody]

From Mr. Mcglashan's own site ;-). :

CURRENTLY SKIS ON: Volkl FIS Racetiger SL 165cm, Volkl Racetiger SL Pro 165cm, Volkl Racetiger SL 165cm, Volkl FIS Racetiger, GS 188cm 27r, Volkl FIS Racetiger GS 183cm 25r, Volkl Racetiger GS 180cm, Volkl Deacon 76mm, Volkl SX Demo 173cm, Volkl One 186cm, Volkl Shiro 183cm, Volkl WC Mogul 166cm

CURRENT BOOTS: Dalbello DRS150 race boot

Wow...

 

[Brian Finch]

From Mr. Mcglashan's own site ;-). :



Wow...

He's now on the Original+ Mod6 variants in a 175cm & Head WCR3's w/ considerable ankle punch

 

[Tony S]

From Mr. Mcglashan's own site ;-). :



Wow...

He's now on the Original+ Mod6 variants in a 175cm & Head WCR3's w/ considerable ankle punch

I dipped in briefly. It appears that his pages are not updated very often. Lots of "2015" "2018", "2021" "2022" and "2023 Projected".

As someone whose partner builds websites for small businesses, I'm especially aware that this is very common. It's easy to pay someone to put up a site. It's hard for the new owner to keep it current.

 

[Brian Finch]

I just decided to make this my DD & snagged 2 sets of 178cm 2023 leftovers.