If 'cheeky' was in the design brief, I'd honestly say they nailed it. That could so easily have been a Fiat Multipla. Or a 90s Honda Civic Wagon.
Talk about threading their way between Scylla and Charybdis:
Dynamics or systems 101 would seemed to solve the basic math for dampening ... but I know I sucked at linear systems using matrices ..This is probably why they just, quite unexpectedly, delayed building the huge plant to produce them here.(or was it the batteries maybe both?)
Dynamics or systems 101 would seemed to solve the basic math for dampening ... but I know I sucked at linear systems using matrices ..
Debatable. The consumer wins. The network was a huge selling point for their cars. When you bought a Tesla you also were buying a 'premium charger experience.'This is a big win for Tesla
very true, capitalism rules.There's solutions... there's buildable solutions... there's buildable solutions within budget ... there's buildable solutions within budget your customers like
It is a win win situation. There was a lot of pressure on Tesla to adopt the CCS standard, but little to no upside. With the broader adoption of their NACS standard, that pressure is removed. They also have a 10% margin on charging, so broad-scale adoption and expansion of their charging network is good for business. To your point this is also a huge win for non-Tesla EV drivers, as they will now have access to what is arguably the most pervasive and advanced fast charging network. It is also a win for Ford and GM, plus any other manufacturers who want to immediately benefit from the Tesla charging network without making the same upfront investments that Tesla has been making for the last 10+ years. The loser here is the CCS standard which now becomes much less relevant and the charging networks that were betting big on it. My guess is that if you have continued momentum towards NACS, CCS will start to sunset just like Chademo and the other charging networks will have to upgrade/modify their chargers for NACS.Debatable. The consumer wins. The network was a huge selling point for their cars. When you bought a Tesla you also were buying a 'premium charger experience.'
As someone who does not own a Tesla and will probably get a BEV in next ~5 years, I am a fan of this change.
so you're calling one the VHS and the other may be the Beta of charging .. at least in the US?It is a win win situation. There was a lot of pressure on Tesla to adopt the CCS standard, but little to no upside. With the broader adoption of their NACS standard, that pressure is removed. They also have a 10% margin on charging, so broad-scale adoption and expansion of their charging network is good for business. To your point this is also a huge win for non-Tesla EV drivers, as they will now have access to what is arguably the most pervasive and advanced fast charging network. It is also a win for Ford and GM, plus any other manufacturers who want to immediately benefit from the Tesla charging network without making the same upfront investments that Tesla has been making for the last 10+ years. The loser here is the CCS standard which now becomes much less relevant and the charging networks that were betting big on it. My guess is that if you have continued momentum towards NACS, CCS will start to sunset just like Chademo and the other charging networks will have to upgrade/modify their chargers for NACS.
so you're calling one the VHS and the other may be the Beta of charging .. at least in the US?
Or the other way to think about it is like this what if Tesla is Beta (the better technology) and Tesla re-writes history and takes out VHS lolso you're calling one the VHS and the other may be the Beta of charging .. at least in the US?
Well the Oem’s are in a very tough spot. Most, all?, states mandate selling through dealers. The pandemic and chip shortage saw dealer markups into the truly obscene category. Oems’s get none of that profit.Their direct to consumer approach not only disrupts the dealership model, but eliminates layers of margin and unpleasant haggling that many have come loath when buying a car. Whether you like EVs or not you have to respect this new approach to selling cars which is much easier and way more customer friendly. Thought this article was an interesting read as it really highlights this.
I mean that’s a dealer. Remember Saturn? That was supposed to get rid of the sleaziness of the dealership. Hard to put it any other way. They’ve done themselves no favors over the years.I did talk to one dealer who feels most Americans won't adopt the small-footprint showroom and order your vehicle with a later delivery date. Maybe he's right, or maybe he can't yet accept that someone has moved his cheese. We'll see, but I'm still seeing a lot of empty asphalt at most dealerships these days.
So what is interesting about the Ford and GM announcements is that they will be integrating the Tesla charging networks into their cars ... so the same integration Tesla has, heck they are probably licensing the a bunch of software and connectivity from Tesla as part of the deal.I don't know about a game changer, unless all other manufactures start doing the same type of vertical integration. And since Tesla has already built the charging infrastructure, it's going to be more about sourcing and securing their own battery materials, some of which is already shaping up. And regardless of whether they're developing their own brand new systems or buy off-the shelf components, some of these vehicles are really nice to drive.
The main takeaway I got is that as other manufacturers ramp up their EV models and increase their market share of EV sales, Tesla may make more of their revenue from EV charging than from EV sales. It may take Japanese automakers a while to give up CHAdeMO, given they developed the standard. OTOH Kia/Hyundai may be quicker to switch from CCS and adopt NACS.
The driving experience (handling, ride comfort and other factors that are important to the wider consumer market and not just the early adopters) is at least as good and often better in almost every other EV made by mainstream auto builders. As far as the process of ordering your vehicle online and avoiding the haggling experience at dealerships, it's actually available with other brands as well, including delivery to your residence. They don't always promote this.
I did talk to one dealer who feels most Americans won't adopt the small-footprint showroom and order your vehicle with a later delivery date. Maybe he's right, or maybe he can't yet accept that someone has moved his cheese. We'll see, but I'm still seeing a lot of empty asphalt at most dealerships these days.
Well only if laws are changed in 50 States. It’s not driven by the market.Sure their are lawsuits and legislation that will slow this process, but the end is inevitable. Simply put buying from a dealership has become a painful process of haggling for cars that have not even been built yet.
Slowly but surely change will come, it has already reached most states, with a just a few holdouts left. The really challenge is all the dealership agreements that the legacy auto companies have and lack of infrastructure/network to replace them. Think about it, Ford makes money when they sell a car or parts to a dealership, and maybe a little on financing. Tesla on the other hand, sells the car, sells the service, sells the financing, sells the charging and now sells insurance ... plus since they are manufacturer direct they also eliminate a layer of margin and have a much more efficient customer friendly sales process that turns their inventory exponentially faster. Compare the two business models and tell me which one wins in the long run.Well only if laws are changed in 50 States. It’s not driven by the market.
Ford noted a while back about splitting their business into ICE and EV ... suspect this may be one reason, and maybe why they're being sued?Well the Oem’s are in a very tough spot. Most, all?, states mandate selling through dealers. The pandemic and chip shortage saw dealer markups into the truly obscene category. Oems’s get none of that profit.
Ford is trying to sell direct and has like a dozen lawsuits against it.
I mean that’s a dealer. Remember Saturn? That was supposed to get rid of the sleaziness of the dealership. Hard to put it any other way. They’ve done themselves no favors over the years.
But that Truecoat see…